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Post by ArrogantBee on May 28, 2005 18:46:44 GMT -5
Piscator, The pipe I refer to is purely metaphoric and symbolic of any area on any stocked water where the stockies congregate.
I agree that certain aspects of competition fishing are "fundamentally unfair" and that's a difficult thing to overcome as things stand. However, If I spend eight hours a float and catch an eight fish limit - say one every fifty minutes, or so - and somebody bags up in the first hour why should his bag be more score worthy than mine? Let's assume his fish weigh eight pounds and mine weigh eight-and-a-half, but he wins because he has an added bonus of seven pounds - one pound per hour after bagging up. Why fish for eight hours? Why not just blow the final whistle as soon as somebody bags up?
If the guy has his eight fish in the first hour, nothing in the world can help me win that competition if I take the full eight hours! I would have to go looking for fish that were double the average water weight just to draw level. Remember, we've hooked and netted the same amount of fish and mine weigh more in a competition where the outcome is determined by weight, but I've lost. But only because it's taken me eight hours to do so in a match that is eight hours long.
Some questions (and answers): Are competitions won by bagging up? - No; Are competitions won by catching fish the quickest? - No; Are competitions won by catching the heaviest bag? - Yes. Well, why is it possible that a guy with the heaviest bag can loose out to somebody who has bagged up quicker with less poundage of fish?
AB
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Post by 3lbgrayling on May 28, 2005 19:33:23 GMT -5
hi ab .have to say that 's a pretty good summing up,but you just have to go along with the rules of each comp ,or not enter because you disagree with the rules, but it would be good if we could come to some sort of general agreement on a set of rules .my bag would be kill limit and then weight awarded for every fish after that c+r.what do you think ? jim
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Post by peepingcaddis on May 28, 2005 20:30:45 GMT -5
When I get some funds mate, I left the family home and i'm getting sorted or at least trying to. I will be in touch!!
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Post by Chris on May 31, 2005 6:35:38 GMT -5
If the guy has his eight fish in the first hour, nothing in the world can help me win that competition if I take the full eight hours! I would have to go looking for fish that were double the average water weight just to draw level. Remember, we've hooked and netted the same amount of fish and mine weigh more in a competition where the outcome is determined by weight, but I've lost. But only because it's taken me eight hours to do so in a match that is eight hours long. AB, afraid that point you make is wrong. It was disproved at Rutland in the LEFC Individual on Friday. Some people had bagged up with their 10 fish by midday and so got 6 hours of time bonus. As it was, it was only 1 pound an hour time bonus giving him an extra 6 fish. As you are fishing too a 10 fish limit you only need fish that are half a pound extra even without the time bonus to win. The guy that won it only had 8 fish so no time bonus and he slaughtered everyone. He had 8 fish for over 32lb. Good angling!
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Post by 3lbgrayling on May 31, 2005 7:54:12 GMT -5
i was in a smallwater comp 1 month ago 9am to 4.30 pm ,4 fish limit then 1/4 lb bonus every 15 min.i bagged up 9.16 am.came 2nd.i new i had a problem as 1 of my bows weighed 1lb the guy who won ,had no small fish.and had his limit by 10.00am.i had inc time bonus 15lb 1st place had 2lb more. at 9.16 i thought can't be beaten ,but i was !!! jim
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Post by ArrogantBee on May 31, 2005 16:26:44 GMT -5
AB, afraid that point you make is wrong. It was disproved at Rutland in the LEFC Individual on Friday. Some people had bagged up with their 10 fish by midday and so got 6 hours of time bonus. As it was, it was only 1 pound an hour time bonus giving him an extra 6 fish. As you are fishing too a 10 fish limit you only need fish that are half a pound extra even without the time bonus to win. The guy that won it only had 8 fish so no time bonus and he slaughtered everyone. He had 8 fish for over 32lb. Good angling! Fantastic angling! But I think you have to agree that eight fish averaging four pounds a piece is the exception rather than the rule, and I still disagree with time bonuses. Jim's suggestion of catch and release is more palatable to me, but each to his own. AB
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Post by TOSHY on Jun 1, 2005 2:08:51 GMT -5
Daver the 20 inch rule on the loch ,you said 3lb plus ,I know of 3 guys who have caught fish over 3lb mark and they did not make the 20inch ,my own view is they should have left it at 17inch .On the issue of guys being bagged up and not making the next round ,I think the rules will change next year because some SANA guys were caught out with that rule, but we shall see TOSH
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Post by osprey on Jun 1, 2005 4:06:33 GMT -5
i hear the semi draw is out and surprise,surprise they let them thru
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Post by TOSHY on Jun 1, 2005 5:11:27 GMT -5
Well Osprey i cant wait to get home to read the paper work for the semis,if this is true i think the SH -T might hit the fan,Rulings changed in a flash no meeting or what,it stinks as far as i am concerned if its true,
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Post by fidfish on Jun 1, 2005 16:41:04 GMT -5
Hi Tosh
Checked my semi draw this morning and as Osprey says the guys from Carron are through. Does anyone know if the guys that bagged up on the Lake but didn't qualify on the day are also through?
Have to agree with your sentiments entirely but you know as well as I do that hee haw will happen. Look forward to hearing the official line though.
Cheers Kenny
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Post by sunburstmclaren on Jun 6, 2005 3:30:33 GMT -5
Hi All, reading with interest the comments on folk with bag limits at Carron been allowed to go through to the semi`s....... will this apply on the day of the semi i.e any six trout (so long as they are of size) will be enough to get you to the final...... what if 50% of the field or more manage this, will they get extra boats for the final at Leven..... it will be interesting to see if this rule is used for the semi.... I`ve no problem with this rule so long as it is applied at every venue and every round consistency in the rules is a must.......
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Post by TOSHY on Jun 7, 2005 3:04:16 GMT -5
It will be very interesting to watch the returns in the Semi finals,The points you raise Sunburst are valid at mabye Carron ,Lake ,Lintrathen, When you could get more than 30% of the rods BAGGING UP then its down to bag weight or is it ,I cant wait to see what happens it will be interesting to say the least. But i still say it STINKS of look after the boys at any cost.Iwould like to know the SANA officials who made the decision that RODS that did NOT have enough weight to make the CUT OFF are now in semis,Every Angler who has made the semi final has had their odds of making final shortened by these NINE extra rods being slipped in the back door so lets just wait and see the results
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Post by sunburstmclaren on Jun 7, 2005 4:00:07 GMT -5
Toshy... could not agree with you more....... also another point... what happens if someone has 5 fish with a better weight than an angler who has bagged up with 6 fish who goes through? can of worms i think........
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Post by osprey on Jun 7, 2005 5:31:50 GMT -5
agree with Toshy,it"s an absloute disgrace folk beaten on weight getting through,everyone knew the rules before they went out, it was up to them to fish the areas with the stockies,as most of the qualifiers had done, what was the point in a practice for them? We all know the reason for the change of rules was the two sana boys being bagged up but not getting in,I wonder if anyone didn"t get through with a bigger weight than some of the new small fish bag up qualifiers? The whole thing stinks
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Post by TOSHY on Jun 7, 2005 6:01:59 GMT -5
Sunburst thats a question all anglers should be asking before the start of the semi is it bag weight or amount of fish caught that go through to the final , At the lake there is a wide selection of fish size ,also at Carron and lintrathen e.g. 1lb to 6lb at LAKE,8OZ TO 1LB 8OZ AT CARRON,1LB TO 4LB AT LITRATHEN so you can see all sorts of bag weights coming in,As you say an angler with 5 good fish could have a better weight than somebody bagging up with a limit,We will just have to wait and see how it pans out. TOSHY
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