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Post by alberto on Feb 24, 2006 9:03:37 GMT -5
Well done Campbell, I should have pointed out the fact that they are at present trying to recruit some committee members.
Incidently I have been no where just discovered the opposite sex and plan to fish again this year. I will see you at the Lake or rivers no doubt.
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 24, 2006 9:39:18 GMT -5
ah,the joys of sex-fishing-rocknroll ;D ;D ;D
jim
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shanksi
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Post by shanksi on Feb 24, 2006 11:25:34 GMT -5
Great memory you have Jim ;D ;D Enjoy NZ and remeber to rub noses when you arrive.
Ian
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Post by osprey on Feb 24, 2006 14:59:46 GMT -5
I wonder why you need new commitee members alberto It"s not that the date dosnae suit Camshy,I am just pointing out that the Scottish clubs continue to pick semi dates to clash with other comps, they have done for years What you are now saying is 12 people banded together can enter the scottish clubs, and i thought it was for bona fide scottish clubs only,silly me ;D well done in discovering the fairer sex by the way ;D ;D Oz
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Post by northdeeps on Feb 25, 2006 5:14:47 GMT -5
Sana competitions section is a separate organization to SANA hence SANA has agreed recently to become incorporated and become a limited company this does not include the competition section who have still to decide which way they go, remain an orgainisation run by committee which is not favoured or to also become a limited company with directors. But I stress that they are separate orgainisations. The relationship as to why you have to be a member of SANA to enter competitions I am not certain about, suspect that it lies in the history of when competitions section was set up. Probaly in competitions constitution it is one of their rules as a requirement. Scottish clubs likewise is a separate body with its own funds and committee. They are autonomous and I suspect again as a matter of courtesy ask that entrants be a member of SANA, why SANA competitions get a team entry I am not certain about probably as they use SANA support with mail outs etc. However bear in mind that this thread is about conflict of dates for competitions there are so many variables to consider that it becomes almost impossible to accommodate everyone and ultimately whatever the date there will be a problem. As far as wales goes the Welsh fixed the date and venue. My thoughts are that individuals must prioritise for themselves which competitions they want to go for. I know that I have to every year. I disagree. The competition section comes under the umbrella of SANA and when they decided to become autonomous, they had to get a constitutional agreement from the main body of SANA. If they want to split, or go it alone they can't use the SANA name, or claim to be a part on the SANA organisation without the express say so of the main SANA body. The competitions section think they can do what they can without the say so of SANA, but they can't. They are self-funding as far as I know and that's why you pay SANA fees and competition section fees. You can become a member of SANA without joining the competitions section, but you can't join the competitions section without joining SANA... that's why it is referred to as a section. northdeeps
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Post by alberto on Feb 25, 2006 7:29:55 GMT -5
I read this that you more or less agree not disagree, they are 2 separate bodies more so with SANA having agreed to incorporeate into a limited company
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Post by northdeeps on Feb 25, 2006 13:24:08 GMT -5
I read this that you more or less agree not disagree, they are 2 separate bodies more so with SANA having agreed to incorporeate into a limited company Yes, but the point is that they aren't more or less two separate bodies. I know there are one or two people within the competitions section who think they are a completely separate entity, but they aren't. SANA is the organisation that the competition section belongs to and whatever SANA decides, the competitions section will have to subscribe to that decision. If they don't we will have a constitutional issue on our hands. northdeeps
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Post by alberto on Feb 26, 2006 8:02:26 GMT -5
I am sorry but in which case we already have a constitutional issue they are two separate bodies, SANA are now a company limited by guarantee, competition section are not part of this they have separate everything the only thing that links them is permission (maybe the wrong word) from SANA the national body to run competitions. Everything else including and especially money is separate SANA would love to access their competition funds but cant because they are totally autonomous.
You say that whatever SANA decide competitions will subscribe to - not so otherwise competitions would be part of the new company they are not and my guess is that they will became another company in their own right. Any links with SANA would then become even more tenuous I guess
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Post by northdeeps on Feb 26, 2006 11:40:02 GMT -5
I am sorry but in which case we already have a constitutional issue they are two separate bodies, SANA are now a company limited by guarantee, competition section are not part of this they have separate everything the only thing that links them is permission (maybe the wrong word) from SANA the national body to run competitions. Everything else including and especially money is separate SANA would love to access their competition funds but cant because they are totally autonomous. You say that whatever SANA decide competitions will subscribe to - not so otherwise competitions would be part of the new company they are not and my guess is that they will became another company in their own right. Any links with SANA would then become even more tenuous I guess You are obviously one of these deluded fools that think the competition section doesn't need to comply with SANA jurisdiction... it does. SANA is recognised as the governing body of the sport of angling in this country and they are the "owners" of the national, not the competitions section. The competition section only runs the national on behalf of SANA (or as you say "permission" is given) and can't break away! Well they can, but they will no longer have any constitutional right to run our national competition, or claim any recognition for governing the sport of angling in this country. The only reason SANA can't take any of the competition sections money, is because that's what the agreement put in place was when they (SANA) agreed to allow the competition section to run the competition side of things. To change that would need another constitutional agreement, which the main body of SANA would need to endorse but probably wouldn't find support for I guess. It's been a wee while since I was involved in competition issues, but from what I hear it is still run by the same self-deluded bunch that it ever was. And do you know what? Here lies one of the very issues that drives people to think that our national governing body is an absolute joke. A bunch of self-deluded twats that couldn't run the proverbial piss up but still they have the audacity to think they know best. The thing that angers me most - and many of the people I talk to at grass roots - is how out of touch with people's opinion they are, but make no effort to build bridges. Most of these people think the organisation and it's members are in some way beholding to them and that they are owed a debt of gratitude by the masses. If you are a member of this rag tag bunch, then I'll give you some advice if you are bright enough to accept some. Take a listen to what the grass roots are saying and remember that they are the organisation. Not you! If you don't, the organisation will eventually die. If one thing is certain in this life: weak and corrupt - yes I said corrupt - organisations eventually implode, as ours surely will one day. northdeeps
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Post by morris on Feb 26, 2006 14:16:37 GMT -5
berty basset i'll put a bet on that if the sana team are in the semi's they'll be in the one when the internationall is taking place.
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Post by osprey on Feb 26, 2006 14:53:33 GMT -5
You have hit the nail on the head Northdeeps, the continual choice of dates that clash with other competitions for Scottish club semis is just one example of the"we can do as we want" and to hell with the members" attitude that exists, seemingly especially prevalent at the Scottish Clubs. Think thats a safe bet morris. Oz
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Post by alberto on Feb 26, 2006 16:06:48 GMT -5
This post has now become a diatribe, I am not a fool, and I am not a director or committee member of either body.
We agree on the relationship of both organisations.
If you believe that people who serve on these bodies are twats and corrupt (I find this attitude and wording appalling and unnecessary) then do something about it, get involved and make changes.
Enjoy your fishing
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Post by Bugsy on Feb 26, 2006 18:02:27 GMT -5
Scotland......you have some exceptional anglers and are at the very pinnacle of your competition life cycle. I have regularly fished against several of you, both on Stills and Rivers......Club comps, Internationals, Commonwealth and World Championships. Your Country is full of fishing talent and some truly wonderful personalities. I have fished in every River International, save one, since 98.........I didn't qualify for that particular year.........why?.......because WSTAA held the trial on the same day as the Peregrine Final. BUT, I had a choice.....fish the Peregrine or the trial.......I made my choice. The conduct and performance of your anglers is nothing short of exemplary....on the Tummel in 04 I lost the belt of my chest waders.......it was replaced......by a Scot. In practise, I broke my Sage......it was replaced.......by a Scot. I was beaten into second place on my home waters in 03 during the Commonwealth Championship......by a Scot. None of you are bigger than your Country and your sport is in fine fettle. YOU are the Country to beat in all disciplines relating to fly fishing. I urge you to resolve your differences......it's vital for continued success. If you disregard my advice....I would remind you of the current plight of the Welsh Rugby Team. Nice to see you back Mr. L Bugsy
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Post by camshy on Feb 27, 2006 20:28:01 GMT -5
Well said Bugsy could not have put it better myself
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 27, 2006 21:29:03 GMT -5
got it in one bugsy.
jim
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