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Post by osprey on Feb 21, 2006 15:39:02 GMT -5
Well I suppose it makes a change for them not to be holding a semi-final the day before the national final as they have unbelievably done for years now , no ,I"m told a semi final has been scheduled for the same day as the loch style international at Wales ;D ;D Who on earth dreamed this one up
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Post by doods on Feb 21, 2006 16:41:16 GMT -5
Obviously guys in Sana who aren't in the team going to Wales....... their not as daft as you think......
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Post by alberto on Feb 23, 2006 5:50:15 GMT -5
Sorry nothing to do with SANA speak to the Welsh Trout and Salmon association who fix this date. Also almost impossible to fix dates so that they do not conflict with some competition or other. Finally the Scottish Clubs is not a SANA event it is independant of SANA
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Post by osprey on Feb 23, 2006 14:27:47 GMT -5
Sorry nothing to do with SANA speak to the Welsh Trout and Salmon association who fix this date. Also almost impossible to fix dates so that they do not conflict with some competition or other. Finally the Scottish Clubs is not a SANA event it is independant of SANA alberto So you are saying the welsh trout and salmon association fix the dates for the Scottish clubs Surely it is easy to avoid clashing with other comps,a competition on a friday, why not hold you semi on a mon, tues etc!! ;D
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 23, 2006 14:38:49 GMT -5
osprey.alberto is saying that the welsh picked the date for the loch style championships, not the other way round. jim
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Post by doods on Feb 23, 2006 14:56:43 GMT -5
Alfonso how on earth can you say it is independent of SANA..... the scottish clubs have a representative on the SANA committe. they are ultimately ruled by as their governing body and SANA are allowed to enter a team even though they are not a club, please explain...
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Post by osprey on Feb 23, 2006 14:58:42 GMT -5
Of course the welsh picked the date for the international, these dates i"m told are picked a long time in advance,so other comp organisers can avoid same dates .do you pick the scottish club dates then alberto? And please answer me this, if scottish clubs is not a Sana event why does a club have to be a member of sana to join . And please tell me how SANA are allowed to enter a team in the scottish clubs ? They are not a club, surely it is a competition for bona fide clubs only? Please enlighten us
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 23, 2006 15:20:08 GMT -5
doods and osprey.you might at least have the curtesy to get the posters name right.bad manners have no excuses. jim
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Post by Ben on Feb 23, 2006 15:35:59 GMT -5
Who the hell is Alphonso? ;D
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Post by alberto on Feb 23, 2006 16:34:27 GMT -5
Sana competitions section is a separate organization to SANA hence SANA has agreed recently to become incorporated and become a limited company this does not include the competition section who have still to decide which way they go, remain an orgainisation run by committee which is not favoured or to also become a limited company with directors. But I stress that they are separate orgainisations. The relationship as to why you have to be a member of SANA to enter competitions I am not certain about, suspect that it lies in the history of when competitions section was set up. Probaly in competitions constitution it is one of their rules as a requirement.
Scottish clubs likewise is a separate body with its own funds and committee. They are autonomous and I suspect again as a matter of courtesy ask that entrants be a member of SANA, why SANA competitions get a team entry I am not certain about probably as they use SANA support with mail outs etc.
However bear in mind that this thread is about conflict of dates for competitions there are so many variables to consider that it becomes almost impossible to accommodate everyone and ultimately whatever the date there will be a problem. As far as wales goes the Welsh fixed the date and venue. My thoughts are that individuals must prioritise for themselves which competitions they want to go for. I know that I have to every year.
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 23, 2006 16:49:33 GMT -5
thank you alberto, for that reasoned post.
jim
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Post by camshy on Feb 23, 2006 22:05:46 GMT -5
Nice reply alberto, i thought you might have got caught up in a slagging match you smooth talking dog. Where have you beem hiding ?
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Post by osprey on Feb 24, 2006 1:42:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply,<before 3lb grayling picks at me about manners> a reply but no answers for years scottish clubs have clashed with national final so to blame the welsh salmon and trout association seems to me to be unfair. Prioritise? I bet the scottish club sponsors are happy to hear you say that IMHO a wee bit foresight and organisation is all that is needed. Please answer the question, Why are SANA allowed to enter a team in the Scottish clubs when they are not a club. Please let us know . Thanks, Oz
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Post by alberto on Feb 24, 2006 5:30:29 GMT -5
Osprey this is my final post on the matter and I am not intending to answer any question simply provide you with some facts you can do with them what you will. This paragraph isa lot my opinion and very little fact - As already stated when fixing dates for a competition it is impossible not to clash with other competitions some of the variables being, Venue availability, Committee availability, General entrants preference, Other events, Sponsors requirements, what the home countries are doing, custom and practice etc etc the list goes on and the permutations endless. Organising committees can only do so much to accommodate preferences. In the case of the Scottish Clubs they are particularly accommodating you get a choice of heat dates the semis and final are fixed but aside from the final they will always allow you to switch with other teams if you can do it. I think that it comes down to you prioritizing your own commitments.
This however is fact - Finally before I go the constitution says a group of 12 or more anglers who are affiliated to SANA can enter as a club hence the SANA entry , and before you ask yes they do pay for entry.
Enjoy your competition season
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Post by camshy on Feb 24, 2006 8:20:56 GMT -5
Osprey
If the semi date does not suit go for the other one you have a choice of two , i am sure the committee will try to accommodate dates to suit. Why don't you offer to join the committee they are always looking for guys to help out, this way you could add some input and don't forget that this is voluntary
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