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Post by phoenixboy on Oct 4, 2005 15:34:50 GMT -5
Ok I may be a new member but I have been reading this forum for a long while. For what it is worth I am thankful that a like minded group of international anglers are prepared to put their necks out for what they see as traditional fly fishing matches...
I reckon you would encourage a lot of of ex comp guys back into the sport if you ban the bung. As the organisers, you have a right to lay down the rules however you see fit..if people don't like it they won't enter...my guess is most of the anglers on this forum would not worry at all if the bung was not allowed, they can catch fish properly, traditionally and without using floats....? I am sad that anglers (most of whom are more than capable of catching fish without the use of floats) resort to this method... Roll on the day when we can enter matches again without having to see folk winning with floats...
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Post by captain on Oct 4, 2005 16:18:41 GMT -5
I tried to reply earlier but PC played up!.. I'll buy you a drink Phoenix if you enter! Man after my own heart... (hope thats all ) ;D
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Post by phoenixboy on Oct 4, 2005 16:32:02 GMT -5
I shall also buy you a drink...I will be there mate..six man or four man....count me in...and just for the record all I am after is a winners fleece... ;D won by traditional methods...
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Post by secretary on Oct 6, 2005 15:03:59 GMT -5
I just like to be Devils Advocate on the subject. I am in fact a bit of a purist myself. Honest. But sometimes when needs must. My most sucessful fly on Leven this year was a clan chief. You'll not get much more traditional than that.
Anyhow, Define traditional on Leven, I would reckon Soldier palmer, Wickham's Fancy, Kingfisher Butcher and such like are making a come back and once more can be classed as leven flies.
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Post by Daver on Oct 7, 2005 2:28:57 GMT -5
yes michael, i know what you mean that little wet fly that you managed to lodge in my cheek was traditional . World rules you would be allowed flies like that but not international. These flies never left the Loch over the years it was just no one fished them if you remember the old guy who caught that last real big rainbow 9lb+ was on an alexandria of st.serfs. Flies go around in cycles and all it takes is someone to have a decent day on traditional patterns and the jungle drums go and everyone goes out fishing these patterns. I think everyone in the national final was doing something along these lines I know I was and it did not work for me, some other's got in the team ripping sparklers back which are also still working as they proved it even though the word was that you had to be using traditional's. The big stuff is also still working as Gregg proved the week before the national. Cheers Dave PS when you want to go for the grayling and I dont mean Jim :0 Oh and what with the name seceratary, you aint a very braw looking secratary and you certainly dont wear suspenders
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Post by segdoune on Oct 7, 2005 14:05:06 GMT -5
Hi, A few personal comments about the ITC. First a great idea and I hope it works.
Prizes. I would prefer a comp without any major prizes. As some one stated earlier an, Embroidered fleece jacket would be enough. Recognition of winning a major comp should be worth a lot more that a prize.
One thing that really gets up my nose is teams and individuals that don’t do well in a comp buggering off before the final results. They would wait about if they won. I would like to see people waiting until the final result and applaud the winners. Once again Recognition from your peers is more important that a new shiny rod. Just to highlight a point about prizes. At a final at Rutland the second placed 6 man team had their rod prize sold by the time they got up the hill to their cars. Now, I’m not getting at the team as it’s their rods and they can do what they want with them. Bet they wouldn’t have sold an Embroidered Fleece Jacket.
Rules, As few as possible and fished within the spirit of fly-fishing. A checker boat actually checking flies etc. (just in case). A formal complaints system that has an end time. I.e. all and any complaints must be outlined to an official before the last fish is weighed. Anyone caught fishing out with the rules to have their name and team name published on the web or magazine. Make this clear in the application paperwork.
Thumbs up to the Fab four who have taken this on. All the best. Colin,
Ps .My site receives over 5,000 visitors per month. Not as busy as this one but its 5,000 more people. If you get a banner, web page or contact details I will display them on the site.
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Post by captain on Oct 7, 2005 14:21:42 GMT -5
Thanks Colin .. An idea of mine.. . Firstly, to get clothing sizes from each competitor including reserve/s. Yes, fleeces are on the agenda including Jumpers.. akin to the B&H ones which many were so proudly worn.. I remember a story of a chap who won a B&H heat being given a very expensive rod by Chris Ogbourn.. only to exclaim "I want a Jumper instead"!! .. Hope we get the same hunger. I'm toying (also) with winners recieving ITC Blazers! with following years event winners being awarded by previous winners, on the same lines as the US Open Golf ? We'll see what the other organisers think.
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Post by Bugsy on Oct 7, 2005 19:03:21 GMT -5
Thanks Colin .. An idea of mine.. . Firstly, to get clothing sizes from each competitor including reserve/s. Yes, fleeces are on the agenda including Jumpers.. akin to the B&H ones which many were so proudly worn.. I remember a story of a chap who won a B&H heat being given a very expensive rod by Chris Ogbourn.. only to exclaim "I want a Jumper instead"!! .. Hope we get the same hunger. I'm toying (also) with winners receiving ITC Blazers! with following years event winners being awarded by previous winners, on the same lines as the US Open Golf ? We'll see what the other organisers think. Hey C] It was me..........wasn't interested in the rod ...........I only use one brand . I was however determined to win one of THOSE jumpers...........hence my decision to front the Welsh part of the comp. ColinB...........great post and I couldn't have put it better myself. Game on chaps Bugsy
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Post by secretary on Oct 10, 2005 7:10:05 GMT -5
Cheers Daver, I did try to keep that one quiet!! and it was 2 seasons ago. Tweed is on but won't be for a few weeks yet, am kinda busy on the loch with shooting just now.
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Oct 10, 2005 7:57:26 GMT -5
Cheers Daver, I did try to keep that one quiet!! and it was 2 seasons ago. Tweed is on but won't be for a few weeks yet, am kinda busy on the loch with shooting just now. hope it's the corries ;D jim
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Post by TOSHY on Oct 10, 2005 8:26:23 GMT -5
Remember Michael if the Black Death fly into your sights you are allowed some mistakes,they wont be missed mate
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Post by secretary on Oct 10, 2005 15:07:12 GMT -5
Would love to, but too many corry lovers out there.
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Post by Foxy on Oct 11, 2005 12:54:49 GMT -5
too many corry lovers out there. I prefer Emmerdale myself
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Post by doods on Oct 11, 2005 13:16:15 GMT -5
foxy what's the shades for, to hide your embarassment for that effort at a joke ;D
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Post by Allrounder on Oct 11, 2005 13:35:16 GMT -5
Fascinating thread, guys! ;D Although I don't enter fly fishing competitions myself, I have fished my fair share of coarse matches in my time so I recognise some of the things you are trying to achieve. The main controversy seems to be around the kind of flies (if a bung can be called a fly) and the type of retrieve. Here are a couple suggestions which may be completely off the wall... Flies The skippers/organisers agree a set of flies for each venue. A selection box of these flies is then issued to each angler on entry and no other flys are allowed in the boat. Retrieve. Simple really. One hand must hold the rod at all times when the flies are being retrieved. Workable? Or completely mad! ;D Allrounder ;D
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