Foxy
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Post by Foxy on Apr 27, 2006 12:05:05 GMT -5
The simple way to solve this IMHO would be catch full fishery bag limit with time bonus applying. After all how often are limits caught in the national bar a few exceptional days.?
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Post by dunkeldredflash on Apr 28, 2006 6:22:28 GMT -5
In the past all scottish national competition heats needed a boatman, if the angler required to supply a boatman didn`t, he was not allowed to weigh in. I can remember fishing a semi on Leven when the new Scottish Manager was told by the Fife, Kinross and Stirling rep. that he would not be allowed to weigh in as he had not brought a boatman with him. It was nearly the shortest reign of a team manager lol.
The manager had to pay a boatman for the day to ensure he did weigh in, lol he actually won the heat as well.
If my memory serves me right, it was the anglers competing that asked for this to be changed at an AGM years ago.
You lot should have been at this years AGM if you wanted to make suggestions regarding this years heats.
The people who attended the agm discussed these matters and decisions were reached regarding them and they will be in force this year.
Any club who had a member(s) attending can find out from their representative(s) what was decided.
As said before, if you do not attend the agm, you cant complain about whats decided there.
More of the folks who find time to gripe on here should go along and make themselves heard.
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Post by thrapple on Apr 28, 2006 12:13:19 GMT -5
My club had a outing that day so couldnae attend. Dunkeld redflash can you tell us whats happening as even forum members who were there agm dont seem to know what decided
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TOSHY
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Post by TOSHY on Apr 29, 2006 14:21:11 GMT -5
If this half limit and then catch and release is to go ahead the SANA guys might need to tell the Fisheries because i have spoken to two managers that don't know nothing about this ruling and as far as going to AGM i was working ,but the guys that attended must have been on LOOPY JUICE to even agree to such a farcical rule IMHO,as i said before wide open to cheating
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Post by dunkeldredflash on Apr 30, 2006 16:37:56 GMT -5
From what I remember, its the fishery rules as to bag limits. Then catch and release if the limit is caught.
Time bonus after a limit on any water not allowing catch and release. Possibly this will be only on Lintrathen, dont think their lease actually allows for catch and release.
All fish to be capped, I cant remember the capped weight or if thats different on the seperate waters. Loch Awe has had a capped weight for rainbows for years
Anyway, its the same rules for the guys fishing on any given day, it doesn`t make any difference if its different rules on different days, you fish against a group of anglers on a specific day, your not competing with guys fishing any other day.
Any competition is wide open to cheating if folks want to cheat, you only need to be caught once. Its a bit like shagging one sheep.
There was a lot more cheating going on in the past, now its folks moaning because they get flies checked and maybe banned for infringing the rules.
Again, if folks aren`t happy with whats going on, attend the AGM and propose changes that you want put in place. Thats the easy way to do it.
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Post by secretary on May 1, 2006 7:14:30 GMT -5
England manages to get along without boatmen even on there final, why not us. To many suspicious minds out there.
I never bring a boatman as i would have to pay them. theres enough dosh going out for my fishing without even more for a boatman that isn't required on most venues anyhow.
We are just going to have to start trusting one another.
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Post by creelman on May 2, 2006 6:36:01 GMT -5
Think Dunkeld got it right, thats similar to what i remember from the AGM. He is also right about all the guys griping, get to the AGM if you want a say.
It`s a disgrace how few clubs bother to send representives, an even bigger disgrace that they seldom bother to send in apologies either.
It always amazes me that its guys (or women) who aren`t at the AGM that have the most to say about things after the meeting. Taking the view that your voice means nothing at an AGM is leaving the door wide open for them with their own agendas to get their own way.
Cheats are always found out, there are plenty stories doing the rounds about the ones that have tried in the past, hell one even offered to buy fish from his boat partner. others have asked to swop fish to ensure both got through, luckily the other anglers in these cases were honest and refused. Thats usually the case but there will be some who stoop to any lengths to try to qualify.
It wasn`t that many years ago a committee member was in a made up club to get a place in the national.
I`m sure others have plenty more stories about all the shenanigans, the stories always come out in the end
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Post by jimdoyle1 on May 2, 2006 12:46:28 GMT -5
I agree with the notion that the rules are set at the start of each heat,........ provided that they are the same at the end of the heat!! Having said that does anyone actually know what the rules will be on Carron next week? jim
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Post by creelman on May 5, 2006 15:01:17 GMT -5
Are you fishing carron Jim give me a bell and i`ll pass on some stuff, we were out last saturday, 18 guys had over 200 fish in the world eliminators.
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Post by osprey on May 5, 2006 15:05:02 GMT -5
I"m fishing Carron on wednesday, any info for me Creelman
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Post by carrondam on May 5, 2006 18:50:47 GMT -5
hope its fairer than last year
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Post by 3lbgrayling on May 6, 2006 13:49:13 GMT -5
any gripes about not requiring a boatman officially for 07 except in the final,can blame me as it was me who proposed it ,with the approval of my club. i always supplied a boatman at my expense(no other partner ever offered assistance) only to be met with no boatmen when it was the other anglers time to supply him. no excuses no phone calls..on some occastions 50% of boats had no boatmen ? as secretery said it is already prohibitivly expensive to compete,this was just another unreasonable expense.
jim
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Post by creelman on May 8, 2006 6:21:05 GMT -5
I recall that you proposed something that was already the case. You didn`t need to supply a boatman in the heats, it was upto the individual anglers. I take your point that it is annoying when you do supply one and when its the other guy`s time, he doesn`t.
Guy I was due to fish with last week was to supply the boatman, he called off and I was out with a committee member, no boatman.
There was no ruling passed saying you will not have a boatman in the heats.
Same as it is now, their will be people with boatmen in the heats, there already has been in the one on the lake.
I must have good pals, usually costs me a pint to get one to boat for me. Gives a shout Michael, I`ll boat for you, I`m always willing to learn.
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