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Post by Kirkaig on Oct 4, 2005 3:18:56 GMT -5
Douglas - good post. Interesting to hear of the work of SANA + volunteers. How does one get involved, what do you actually do? Interesting remark about ecological cycles at work.
But your comment "I (on behalf of SANA) had to make the point that the angling was of national interest, not just the birds" is the most telling, and the reason for my posts above. Loch Leven (arguably fishing generally) is simply not on the agenda for politicians. Don't want to sound repetitive, but is there anything anglers can do to help an organisation like SANA to put it there?
I do think fighting fire with fire is the way forward. Afraid that if we dismiss those in power/bureaucracy as mere "city dwelling pen pushers" we're already on the wrong foot, though I sympathise with the sentiment.
I'm a civil servant, I work for the Executive, I live in Edinburgh. I'm a fisherman. I'm concerned enough about Leven to do something about it.
Any suggestions of how one can help, Douglas?
K
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Post by butterstone on Oct 4, 2005 12:41:10 GMT -5
Kirkaig my appologies for tarring all civil servants as city dwelling pen pushers. As you are an angler how do you suggest Leven and other fisheries deal with the powers that be. Like SNH and RSPB who creat these problems without thinking what they are doing to others?
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Post by secretary on Oct 4, 2005 13:01:50 GMT -5
"and because of the drop in catches, most have left to go elsewhere and will be hard to encourage to return"
This quote alone ( from D.B.) is part of the negative feed back loch leven is getting, and he is a big voice in the S.A.N.A. council.
We thought we were encouraging there return fairly well. Slowly maybe, but we are getting there.
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Post by Kirkaig on Oct 4, 2005 15:01:23 GMT -5
Butterstone - no need to apologise, no problem at all with what you were saying, in fact I sympathise.
I can't claim to have the answers to your questions - those in the know are trying (as per this thread) and have a better idea than me.
But I can't help thinking that the way to make an impact is to do so from a position of strenth - put another way, when you are a threat. From our perspective this means acting collectively. I've already mentioned this, but I do believe it - both in my experience as a general observer (seeing the all-conquering rise of RSPB) and as a civil servant and therefore someone who has dealt with public consultation, the way 'the machine' works etc. If we're not a united front, and we don't use our collective voice effectively, then we will be ignored. Period.
As this thread shows, people involved in/at Leven - SANA, Secretary, anglers - are certainly prickly to each others' views. I totally understand why. It's a complicated story and there are a number of questions/answers, all of them financially taxing. But the fact remains that this is not the kind of unified voice that is likely to make the difference. You say 'How can SNH and RSPB, who create these problems, do so without thinking what they are doing to others?'. Ans: because they're organised and share a common aim. We're not and don't.
Difficult to cover more detailed suggestions 'in public' but, as I've said, I'd be more than happy to offer any practical advice/suggestions to anyone interested to take me up.
Otherwise, an important thread, and one that we should keep going.
Cheers,
K
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Post by butterstone on Oct 6, 2005 3:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by TOSHY on Oct 7, 2005 5:35:33 GMT -5
I have looked with interest at the end of season report and at last we have a positive outlook coming from the powers that be,I think myself that Willie and Michael have put a lot of effort in this season with little thanks from a lot of anglers and outside organizations,As Michael said in a earlier post the water must be looked at and various other aspects to improve the sport,My own feelings are a hearty thanks to the Wilson's for their efforts and hope they are rewarded next season, TOSH
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Post by osprey on Oct 7, 2005 9:45:39 GMT -5
What was the total number of fish caught this year
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Post by doods on Oct 8, 2005 4:26:50 GMT -5
Good question Osprey. Also fin clipping to show the ratio between stocked and natural, and how many were actually caught and killed etc. A rod average would be interesting aswell.
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Post by secretary on Oct 10, 2005 7:03:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it was worked out, but the information I have is the boat average which was 1.8 fish per boat. This however only resulted in 4500 fish caught due to the low number of anglers fishing.
This is an improvement on last years averages.
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Post by osprey on Oct 10, 2005 11:04:26 GMT -5
4500 fish caught from a total of 20000 stocked? would seem to be a poor return in my eyes,hope the increased stocking next year improves things,will they be going in weekly? where will they be stocked?are you not able to stock from a boat and spread them round the Loch evenly and help stop all the boats fishing one wee area in the competitions as i"m told happened in the national final?The lake had this problem at one time but now the boats are well spread all over the lake every day
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Post by secretary on Oct 10, 2005 13:46:21 GMT -5
Osprey I'd like to know where you get your information. The area fish were caught in the nat. final was from Grahamstone avenue to the green isle and right round the bouys.That area would fill the the lake of Menteith.
The fish aren't going to come out if the anglers dont fish for them.
25% caught isn't disasterous. More would have been nice, but the the bottom line is the averages are what counts, not total numbers.
If you read the previous threads you'd see how the stocking will be next year. This year we put the fish in one area to create a hot spot, after all this is what anglers want.? Isn't it?
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Post by Foxy on Oct 11, 2005 12:37:15 GMT -5
Heard a story that the divers found the second plane in the south deeps with body inside, can anyone confirm this ?
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Post by secretary on Oct 11, 2005 13:05:49 GMT -5
Divers found 2 planes of the willows. No body.
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Post by doods on Oct 11, 2005 13:14:27 GMT -5
Forget the pilot did they find any fish? Only joking, but in reply to the secretary i don't know if a "hot spot" is what Leven anglers want. if it was they would just go to the Fitty. I'm not sure what can be done but this year was definetely an improvement so let's wait and hope for the future
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Post by amanda on Oct 12, 2005 8:20:13 GMT -5
i have always enjoyed the leven and will be back next year. keep up the good work cheers Amanda
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