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Post by adamphtg on May 4, 2006 16:26:13 GMT -5
Hi all This was posted on the BS site earlier ---------------------------------------------------- The BBC are holding a poll on whether Canoeists should have access to all our rivers!! We really need to redress the balance, as it looks like the canoists are roaring away with it!!! Vote now, and keep voting!!! Post it also on other forums!!! See this vote! www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/---------------------------------------------------- Can you all have a vote. (and if you turn off your cookies, or block cookies from the site, then perhaps you could vote again and again .......) Someone turned the vote from 82/18 to 45/55 in just over 10 mins. Not sure how 'right' it is to do this, but the paddlers sowed the seed of multiple voting on their site thanks Adam
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Post by treenymph on May 6, 2006 14:56:49 GMT -5
Bastards shouldn't be allowed anywhere. I was barbel fishing on the Dorset Stour last season and they came straight through my swim. The barbel scattered everywhere and the chap in the canoe siad' Its allright. Im a fisherman too you know!'
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Post by "Squatter" on May 6, 2006 15:31:11 GMT -5
Found this on The BBC FORUM - nearly pissed my self laughing. ( www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142824?thread=2893528 ) Great story tho............................................... " posted by Jolly Old Saint Nick" "Fishermen are people who go out to see and catch your tea. Anglers are the sad breed who stand and hopefully will die of pneumonia at the side of a river or round our way, the harbour entrance. See, they are thick, miserable little cretins who don't give a stuff about anybody else. Whilst proceeding out on a fishing boat, obnoxious little cretin who, once I find, I will break his bloody neck, decided to cast his stupid little line, hook and great ruddy lead weight just as we proceeded out of harbour. The lead weight smashed round the mast of our boat (no mean feet, decent sized boat) and the hook managed to find its way through my ear. Once the hook had ripped it's way into my ear, the lead weight came thumping round and smashed m in the jaw. I'm pretty sure it was dislocated though we didn't bother with A&E (stiff upper lip and all that). A mad panic on deck ensued as the skipper knocked the boat full astern, and the rest of the guys on deck clamboured for a knife to cut the line before my ear departed my head. Much shouting and swearing ensued and I'm lead to believe he was given a bit of a seeing too by a mate, a complaint was lodged with the harbourmaster the very next morning, and a new sign appeared very soon after, though that hasn't stopped these prats. Even more incredible about these social outcasts is that they get incredibly annoyed when any boats land fish they are hoping to catch, they think they have a God given right to catch fish, but that boats don't, despite fishing vessels needing bloody expensive licences (we're £10,000 to £1million +) from DEFRA and all an angler needs is a 50p fishing rod. Urgh. They truely are pathetic beings sent from another planet for us mortals to rip the p1ss out off." Keep on smiling Mike
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Post by Paul Boote on May 6, 2006 15:41:54 GMT -5
In short, the REAL ANTIS, as I have have for some time, not merely suspected but known. Not the generally impecunious, only occasionally washing, social failures and life wash-ups whom the foxy boys have been at pains to tell us, continuously and at considerable expense to their tradition-loving big-money backers, in recent years, to fight and fear.
Ho hum.
"Two to four million of us (and growing), far fewer of them. Time, as Rambo or some other noted intellectual would say, to kick some serious ass..."
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Post by xxxfarsing on May 10, 2006 13:51:56 GMT -5
Well m8 i dont really bother with them but if you get them going right by you when your fishing i would have a big problem with them, espesially when youve paid an arm and a leg to fish
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Post by The Famous Grouse on May 10, 2006 16:51:31 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I recall from the various "Will fishing be banned?" threads that many thought the public preception of anglers in the UK was entirely positive. Salt of the Earth, working class, family-loving, etc.
The comments posted on the beeb site don't seem to reflect this rosey view the UK public was supposed to have when it comes to angling as a sport.
Grouse
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Post by Sewinman on May 10, 2006 16:57:05 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I recall from the various "Will fishing be banned?" threads that many thought the public preception of anglers in the UK was entirely positive. Salt of the Earth, working class, family-loving, etc. The comments posted on the beeb site don't seem to reflect this rosey view the UK public was supposed to have when it comes to angling as a sport. Grouse "many thought...public preception (sic)...entirely positive" - Could we see some evidence for that?
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Post by The Famous Grouse on May 10, 2006 17:06:25 GMT -5
Go back and read the threads yourself. There have been countless variations of this position that anglers have nothing to worry about because, while hunting and shooting were considered to be elitist sports of the landowning classes, angling was seen by the public to be the pure, wholesome, and harmless sport of the working people.
Merely pointing out that the discussion on the beeb board does not seem to support this pure/wholesome/harmless image that many believed angling has.
Grouse
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Post by Sewinman on May 10, 2006 17:19:42 GMT -5
Back-tracking.
Find me a thread where someone has said that the public preception (sic) of angling was "entirely positive". The fact is you can't.
You are 'merely' using a few odd comments of an unrepresentative thread on the 'beeb' to back-up your pro- blood-sports annie get your gun position...in an issue that has more or less f' all to do with you.
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Post by The Famous Grouse on May 10, 2006 21:29:13 GMT -5
Thank you so much for pointing out that typo, Sewinman. I gather by your attempt to extend the yuk-yuk factor, that it generally contributes to some kind of superiority complex. Generally, I think you'll find that on a web forum it's simply sewing the Red Badge of the Anorak on your own coat.
Back to the matter at hand, I'm not about to go trolling through the threads in an attempt to prove what you've just admitted in the last post. The public perception of angling has come up in every thread that discussed weather or not UK angling is under threat from ANY outside interest. If you read my post with brain fully engaged, I think you'll see the reason I'm bringing up image is NOT to resurrect the hunting debate.
Instead, it's to point out the what I thought would be obvious: Clearly angling's image alone isn't going to carry you through ANY issue. What are you going to argue? Hey, we're clean and wholesome so the canoeists should leave us alone?
In the case of canoe access, what I contribute to this debate is, once again, actual substantial experience with the issue. And you? Considering that only a single digit percent of your English and Welsh waters are currently open to canoe access . . .
The only thing it has to do with me is my desire to see that you aren't stuck with exactly the situation that I am--Open access for canoes, and (to quote your good self) "'f all" that anglers can do about it.
Grouse
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Post by Sewinman on May 11, 2006 4:05:38 GMT -5
It is 'whether' not 'weather'.
I am glad you recognise that your 'I told you so' initial post was based on a false premise that someone had said the public image of angling was "entirely positive". Of course there are some people who don't like angling - so what?
The canoe access/angling debate has nothing to do with angling being banned or otherwise.
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Post by joey1 on May 11, 2006 5:03:43 GMT -5
and as for you squatter go F#CK yourself,yeah and try to give me a seeing to and youll soon see that you are talking sh#t! xxxfarsing I think you'll see Mike was 'quoting' Old Saint Nick from the BBC thread... before you start pimp slapping him... back to the school for 'kids that don't read to good, yeah'. Keep on smiling ...if you have any teeth left in the back of your hole. ;D\ J.
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Post by RodKneeTrouter on May 11, 2006 5:05:51 GMT -5
It does seem to me that canoeists are deliberately unapologetic about where they paddle. More so than other boatmen. A deliberate lack of respect for fishermen even?
I used to scull on the Cam almost daily. I would do my best to lift my blades when going past fishermen (and there are lots of them). Most of the other scullers I saw did same. However, I repeatedly witnessed packs of canoeists spashing right past fishermen without so much as an apologetic nod even when they could have swung wider or stopped paddling for 5 seconds.
It is this sort of 'chip on shoulder' behaviour that makes me want to oppose canoe access.
Mike
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Post by davidmccraw on May 11, 2006 5:23:52 GMT -5
;DNo f#cking way do we want these people flying past us when we are fishing give them non fishing rivers but if they do, I always have a pelet gun with me when i fish "just for times when im bored and gettin no bites "which will be the story when youve got f#cking canoes going past, i put a target up" Id shoot at there canoes and hope to sink the ba#tards, Better still cast at them with one big f#cker of a lure.. ;Dand as for you squatter go F#CK yourself,yeah and try to give me a seeing to and youll soon see that you are talking sh#t! Is there any chance you'd accept a position at the vanguard of the access debate?
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Post by OReilly on May 11, 2006 5:24:00 GMT -5
Forgive an old old joke
Canoeist coming down the test on top of a contended fly fisherman
Flyfisherman" This is private fishing you cannot come down here" Canoeist " As far as I'm concerned God owns this river"
Flyfisherman looks up at the sky for a moment
" Just had a word with God and he says for you to f**k off "
Hugh
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