Pushing or Pulling?

[fisketips]

I just wonder if anyone here pull the rod on a more downward movement in the forecast, rather than push it the more traditional way.

Myself I started learning the pulling last year, as i broke my thumbs and did no great casting
Now I shoot a line of 27 meters with no work at all.

[rrw35]

Yes, pulling definitely is a great style. You seem to get a harder stop, tighter loops and the line seems to go out on a higher plane on the forward cast.

Have a look at www.sexyloops.com. Go into the fly casting section, there is an article on Pulling v's Pushing.

For economy of movement, and for someone with an injury, its a revelation.

[The Handsome Stick]

Pulling is definately the way forward.

[peekers]

don't understand can someone explain pulling pls

Paul

[The Handsome Stick]

peekers said:

don't understand can someone explain pulling pls

Paul

It's quite a complicated thing to explain. Roughly it is pulling of the rod through the casting stroke rather than pushing. I'm sure that does nothing in the way of explanation. Go to www.sexyloops.com

[Countryboy]

Hmmmmm.

New one to me

After watching the video, it looks as if the rod is 'pulled' downwards on the front stroke rather than pushing it forwards

Must give it a try

C.B

[Clydesider]

I'm learning about this pulling thing with great interest.

However, In your opinion, is pushing vs. pulling a suitable theory for teaching beginners?

It seems like quite an advanced technique. On looking at Paul Arden in particular, he takes the pulling stroke to extremes to the point where all of his elbow motion is vertical. He maintains a straight rod tip path by flexing the wrist quite a lot.

All this seems contrary to the theory used to teach beginners. So, to me at least, it seems that for any beginner reading this post. You'd be better advised to first learn the "traditional" pushing stroke where it's easier to visualise a straight tip path and concentrate on minimising wrist flex.

Once you've got that sorted, you can think about changing to pulling. Just my $0.02. I'd be interested to hear from others.

[The Handsome Stick]

clydesider said:

I'm learning about this pulling thing with great interest.

However, In your opinion, is pushing vs. pulling a suitable theory for teaching beginners?

It seems like quite an advanced technique. On looking at Paul Arden in particular, he takes the pulling stroke to extremes to the point where all of his elbow motion is vertical. He maintains a straight rod tip path by flexing the wrist quite a lot.

All this seems contrary to the theory used to teach beginners. So, to me at least, it seems that for any beginner reading this post. You'd be better advised to first learn the "traditional" pushing stroke where it's easier to visualise a straight tip path and concentrate on minimising wrist flex.

Once you've got that sorted, you can think about changing to pulling. Just my $0.02. I'd be interested to hear from others.

I'd say you're probably right.
It's a technique I only really use for distance casting, or at least I'm only aware of it when distance casting, and distance certainly isn't something for a beginner.

[birdsnest]

I thoroughly recommend the Michael Evans casting videos, in particular the "distance casting and the double haul technique" one. They will put you right.

[rrw35]

Clydesider...

Ok..try this.

Put out 10m of line, assuming you can hold up line with a haul....

Keep leading with the elbow as you pull down into the forward cast.

For practice, put a small ball in the space between your forearm and upper arm.

If you are pulling properly, the ball will remain in place.

You are aiming to "pull" the rod into the forward cast as opposed to "pushing".

It is a hard one to explain....... ...but stop the backcast....drift upwards....then pull down into the forward cast.

Have a look on www.sexyloops.com its a good technique, but Paul is using the Rick Hartman casting technique for distance at the moment...thats another story.... ;D

Let us know how you get on.

Sorry, i'm crap too, so don't think it's Steve Rajeff giving advice on here...

[Clydesider]

Cheers, Ryan.

I'll give it a bash next time I put some practice in.

[rrw35]

Clydesider,

go into www.sexyloops.com click on the "Contents" link at the top of the page.

Scroll down to "The Spanish Connection"...click on that.

The article on "Pushing vs Pulling" is the second article down in the "Games" section.

Carlos, the instructor, also recommends attaching a weighted shopping bag on your arm as well as trying the ball.

I find you get funny enough looks casting in the Park, so this maybe pushes it to risking a sectioning by Social Services, or a kicking from Chavs.

[T.P.]

rrw35 said:

I find you get funny enough looks casting in the Park, so this maybe pushes it to risking a sectioning by Social Services, or a kicking from Chavs.

That's funny Ryan, I always think of you as a chav! :-) and already sectioned for that matter! :-) :-)

T.P.

[rrw35]

tarponprincess said:

rrw35 said:

I find you get funny enough looks casting in the Park, so this maybe pushes it to risking a sectioning by Social Services, or a kicking from Chavs.

That's funny Ryan, I always think of you as a chav! :-) and already sectioned for that matter! :-) :-)

T.P.

My care worker and my yellow bus driver have said i am making progress T.P..

[T.P.]

I just knew you were on the sick! :-)

T.P.