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Post by Dougie on May 15, 2006 5:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by RichardB on May 15, 2006 5:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dougie on May 15, 2006 5:38:55 GMT -5
Oops, been away for a while lol.  ...still funny though! ;D Dougie |
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Post by fredaevans on May 15, 2006 12:37:42 GMT -5
At the risk of asking a stupid question: did he get a 'Red Card?'
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Post by MJB on May 16, 2006 3:10:39 GMT -5
At the risk of asking a stupid question: did he get a 'Red Card?' No, because he played the ball first and then clobbered a German (which deserves flowers and chocolates, not just a card!). |
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Post by fredaevans on May 16, 2006 7:31:23 GMT -5
Based only on the short film clip, the players 'actions' appear to be well beyond 'dangerous play.' Good example of why Officials get the amount of flack they do; this one probably earned the 'Boo's' from the German fans. FIFA has been beating on 'we' Officials for years that 'getting to the ball first' is no excuse for dangerous, et. al. play.
By the by, "E" below accounts for well over 50% of my 'cards.' 10 yards is a LONG way ... as in 30 feet, ... as in the width of a three lane street.
FIFA DISCIPLINARY CODE
Minor Infringements (Yellow Card)
A unsporting behaviour such as foul play, dangerous play or holding on to an opponent’s shirt or any part of his body;
B showing disapproval of match officials by word or action (criticising decisions, protesting);
C violation of the Laws of the Game;
D delaying the restart of play;
E failing to comply with the required distance during corner kicks or free kicks;
F entering or re-entering the field of play without prior permission from the referee;
G leaving the field of play without prior permission from the referee;
H play acting (diving, feigning injury, etc.);
Serious Infringements (Red Card)
I serious foul play such as excessive or brute force;
J brutal action such as violent or aggressive conduct;
K spitting at an opponent or anyone else;
L denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball;
M denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the opposing goal by committing an infringement punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick;
N making offensive, insulting or abusive remarks;
O second caution during the same match.
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Post by Sewinman on May 16, 2006 7:32:39 GMT -5
LOL!
EDIT - It was a charity game involving celebrities. The player in question is a politician with the Tory party. I don't think a strict application of the rules would have been in keeping with the game.
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Post by stylie on May 16, 2006 7:38:42 GMT -5
Based only on the short film clip, the players 'actions' appear to be well beyond 'dangerous play.' Good example of why Officials get the amount of flack they do; this one probably earned the 'Boo's' from the German fans. FIFA has been beating on 'we' Officials for years that 'getting to the ball first' is no excuse for dangerous, et. al. play. FIFA DISCIPLINARY CODE Minor Infringements ( Yellow Card) A unsporting behaviour such as foul play, dangerous play or holding on to an opponent’s shirt or any part of his body; B showing disapproval of match officials by word or action (criticising decisions, protesting); C violation of the Laws of the Game; D delaying the restart of play; E failing to comply with the required distance during corner kicks or free kicks; F entering or re-entering the field of play without prior permission from the referee; G leaving the field of play without prior permission from the referee; H play acting (diving, feigning injury, etc.); Serious Infringements ( Red Card) I serious foul play such as excessive or brute force; J brutal action such as violent or aggressive conduct;K spitting at an opponent or anyone else; L denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball; M denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the opposing goal by committing an infringement punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick; N making offensive, insulting or abusive remarks; O second caution during the same match. That wasnt all that dangerous Fred, check out hurling my national sport www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIHHJNW6qfM&search=hurlingUnfortunately thats the Kilkenny V Wexford match from last year but i will try to get some proper vids of Cork playing the game |
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Post by fredaevans on May 16, 2006 7:40:19 GMT -5
LOL! EDIT - It was a charity game involving celebrities. The player in question is a politician with the Tory party. I don't think a strict application of the rules would have been in keeping with the game. I'll grant your point. Could have been our Democrats and Republicans too. |
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Post by stylie on May 16, 2006 7:43:56 GMT -5
Ah here we go, a better example of how the game should be played. This is last years All Ireland final between champions Cork and Galway, Cork won www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXR6vu302lA&search=hurling watch the start before the ball is even thrown in. A lot of the time fights break out before the game is started so the ref will throw in the ball and the fights will stop, at least for awhile |
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Post by fredaevans on May 16, 2006 7:50:51 GMT -5
Looks like a 'cross' between Lacrosse and Aussie Rules Football. ;D That's a new one on me; thought 'Hurling' was the Scot's game of tossing a tree trunk.
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Post by Sewinbasher on May 16, 2006 8:06:35 GMT -5
I love watching hurling, how people don't get killed with all those sticks waving about is a miracle and quite a few don't even wear helmets.
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Post by stylie on May 16, 2006 8:08:57 GMT -5
Looks like a 'cross' between Lacrosse and Aussie Rules Football. ;D That's a new one on me; thought 'Hurling' was the Scot's game of tossing a tree trunk. Hurling was played in Ireland thousands of years ago, so its not quite a cross between anything. Aussie rules and Gaelic football are actually similiar enough that Ireland V Austrailia match's are held every year, however after the Aussies unsporting play and all around cheating last year the Irish are thinking of pulling out of it, after all the Irish are amatuers and do not play for money but for the love of the game |
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Post by Sewinbasher on May 16, 2006 8:27:01 GMT -5
I've always thought that the yellow card system is wrong in that it penalises the subsequent teams to play the offending side if indeed any real penalty is incurred with the current rotating squad systems.
My solution would be to adopt the rugby system and put players in a 10 minute "sin bin" for a yellow card offence and in that way the team sinned against benefits by the offending side losing a player. A red card or two yellows would still mean ejecting the player from the game.
I'm pretty sure that managers will clamp down on the ridiculous diving and other stupid offences when they start having to play with a couple of men down and lose crucial games as a result.
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Post by fredaevans on May 16, 2006 11:19:56 GMT -5
Actually SB our issue with 'diving/play acting' is covered specificly under "H" above. FIFA and Officials don't like it any better than you do. As an 'Official' our main task is the safety of the Players on the pitch. A fake accident ("dive" if you will) only serves to confuse the issue.
As to the 'sin bin' that's not all that uncommon in League Play in the States. There is no set time a player must leave the field other than 'until the next substitution.' But at least their off for a few moments/minutes which allows everyone to calm down abit.
So even though a team isn't "playing short" there is a breather on the field.
It's the fouls that cause most 'cards' that precipitate on field fistacuffs (is that a word in the UK?) You'd love to Center our "Latin Leagues." Actually (years ago in a pre-game inspection) had a Player hand me a fold up knife when I asked him what the 'odd shape' was in his shorts.
I can assure you that rattled my cage but good!
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