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Post by northdeeps on Apr 9, 2006 12:16:26 GMT -5
I did a bit of digging around today and made contact with one or two insiders.
It's nice to see the two factions have decided to "work together and operate things as they did before". However, from what I've heard (and I could be way off the mark), there is only one reason there hasn't been any break away (or proposed break away) so far is for the following reasons:
The IFFA could conceivably support two organisations in Scotland as it does with the other UK countries. However, that is only Ian Campbell's suggestion and there is no concrete evidence to suggest that this is actually the case;
Sportscotland currently only recognises SANA Ltd. as the governing body and aren't likely to recognise a break away organisation unless that break away organisation is supported - in the interest of sport for all - by the ladies, the juveniles and the disabled sections; and
FIPS Mouche only recognise SANA Ltd. in terms of the World and European championships and, at present, will not recognise a break away organisation.
What does this mean? It means that the competitions committee has recognised the weakness of their position and will not pursue a split at this stage. However, it is not off the agenda and I'm told we can expect an extraordinary general meeting to discuss in October at the earliest.
northdeeps
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 9, 2006 12:36:24 GMT -5
northdeeps, the way i read it, they have to have the egm in october to make themselves a ltd company
jim
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 9, 2006 12:52:09 GMT -5
The question of limited liability (which is what the whole limited company issue is about) is a bit of a hazy one and I don't have a handle on this yet in terms of what it means for SANA Ltd. and the competitions section. The current popular theory is that as the umbrella organisation - and the constitutionally limited autonomy that the competition section currently has - SANA's Ltd. status also covers the competition section.
However, this is mere conjecture on my part and on the part of those people I've discussed it with. Perhaps some of the committee members in our midst can enlighten us?
northdeeps
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 9, 2006 12:56:06 GMT -5
thats what i believed as well.but the comp section are going for it jim
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Post by jimdoyle1 on Apr 9, 2006 13:06:18 GMT -5
I agree with Davie, to many new posters hiding behind "names" if you have something to say about a serious situation then dont hide behind a "front" I find it difficult to support any one who doesn't have enough conviction in their beliefs to post under their own names. I also know that there are many interested parties watching from the sidelines who could make an important contribution to this topic, and do so in other places, who might like to think about joining. jim
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Post by dunkeldredflash on Apr 9, 2006 13:16:02 GMT -5
It was spoken about at the agm and the legal opinion that was given, to both parties i believe, is that there cannot be an autominous body withing the main organisation. ie ring fenced funds which is the crux of the matter. No matter what the board of sana ltd say today, any new board could change that and take all the monies for their use elsewhere.
Some people will remember the arguements when the main body wanted most of the competition funds to pay for the premises at loch leven.
Some will also remember the competitions section loaning money to the council who promised it would be re paid to the competition funds.
This was renaged on and they refused to give that money back., I believe the then treasurer for the competition section resigned around that time. Not knowing the full story, I`m not sure if it was because of this.
The last treasurer decided to run the sana open singles and pairs to try to raise some monies.
Another snippet for them that think this is all coming from the one side.
Previous to last years agm, the sana council met and discussed disbanding or trying to disband the competition section. They the council, intended to take over all the running of this section, but because the competition section is autominous, they could not do as they wished.
It was decided at the agm that an egm will be called later in the year to try and resolve the problems.
It will be nice to see all the peeps here attending and putting their views forward.
I`ll go back to a previous statement I made somewhere else in the forum.
When snaca and the other two bodies amalgemated to form sana, it was inserted into the papers somewhere that the competition section had to be self financing. the only committee in sana that this was said about. basically because the new organisation was concerned that the competitions committee would bankrupt the association.
LOL I`m not a committee member btw, I just keep my ear to the ground much as northdeeps appears to do
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Post by dunkeldredflash on Apr 9, 2006 13:20:53 GMT -5
The weakness of position is on both sides.
As ND says about the competition and also from sana ltd`s side that they fear a lot of clubs would not join sana , as said before, several clubs have opted out of sana competitions as they do not see the point in paying £50 plus to an organisation who they percieve to be doing nothinh for them. With out all those subscriptions, sana ltd themselves might have a huge black hole, a lot bigger and deeper than the one they are trying to fill at present.
A total beakaway is in the interests of neither party.
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 9, 2006 13:29:48 GMT -5
I agree with Davie, to many new posters hiding behind "names" if you have something to say about a serious situation then dont hide behind a "front" I find it difficult to support any one who doesn't have enough conviction in their beliefs to post under their own names. I also know that there are many interested parties watching from the sidelines who could make an important contribution to this topic, and do so in other places, who might like to think about joining. jim I take your point about anonymity, but I have my reasons. Even if Dave doesn't agree with me not revealing my name, I'm sure he would understand my reasons for not being keen to expose myself - if you'll pardon the expression. The other important thing to remember is that this forum isn't where the debate should be taking place, but I know people on the inside who welcome the chance to air views anonymously without fear of "peer pressure" and this forum provides an ideal opportunity. What you need to ask yourself is this: does what's being said make sense and if it does, let's open up the debate and it will all come out in the wash? northdeeps
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Post by jimdoyle1 on Apr 9, 2006 13:50:01 GMT -5
Your identity is causing much conjecture north deeps, I agree that it is sometimes easier to speak from a position of "anonymity" but surely you put yourself at a disadvantage, mind you others who appear to be "in the loop" do the same. I struggle to understand how Sana have a financial "black hole" maybe if there were better explanations given, and less back door deals and empire building the whole of Sana, comps and all would get a greater degree of support. As it stands its take it or leave it. jim
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 9, 2006 13:55:45 GMT -5
in fact.i'm sure i heard the man to my right in the comps agm mention northdeeps, and i don't think he was talking about l-leven, jim
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Post by dunkeldredflash on Apr 9, 2006 14:06:52 GMT -5
Think the board said they were in the black by a few hundred pounds Jim.
The accounts are there for all to see in the handbook too.
The competition treasurer also said anyone who wants can go see his books anytime they want.
The black holes are caused by spending more than they have usually.
Anyway, how you doing Jim, still chasing them daft carp in stead of real fish?
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 9, 2006 14:07:32 GMT -5
There are only two people on this forum who know my identity and I trust them implicitly not to tell people who I am. If they have done, I'll be very disappointed and let down.
northdeeps
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Post by jimdoyle1 on Apr 9, 2006 14:24:42 GMT -5
North deeps,let me say no one has told me or any of the folk I fish with your name ,there have been several educated guess,s, after all there arnt that many pars supporters!! ;D ;D Carp, trout pike catfish any thing that swims you know me. Still say you should all come out in the open. jim
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Post by hametied on Apr 9, 2006 15:48:40 GMT -5
3lb, the bloke i travelled with mentioned to me on the return journey that he had heard northdeeps mentioned by the man on your right. he asked me who northdeeps is but i was unable to give him an identity.
wullie
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Post by bigrex1 on Apr 9, 2006 15:57:01 GMT -5
It really dont matter who northdeeps is, as long as he keeps coming up with good and sensible comments he gets my vote. oh and i wont hide behind a name if anyone disnnae ken im bill barnes. that was not a dig at anyone.
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