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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 6, 2006 10:29:58 GMT -5
kettle will be on between meetings jim
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Post by morris on Apr 8, 2006 13:44:49 GMT -5
Where were you today JIM BOB ? after all whats been said you didn't even come along to the meeting to face us. Did you get lost down that big hole you dug yourself??? or is it because you are a chicken and you have caught the bird flu
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 8, 2006 14:40:35 GMT -5
What was the outcome on the break away proposal?
northdeeps
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Post by hametied on Apr 8, 2006 14:49:50 GMT -5
my understanding of the mumbojumbo, double dutch and general heading off on a tangent is that the break has already been made. this was blamed on the main SANA body going limited last year!?!?!?
this can not work as we had a break off with the dark side and see what happened there.
Wullie
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 8, 2006 15:38:00 GMT -5
hametied is correct in what was said,but i think all is not lost .there were some embarrassed faces on the top table when they realised that the general feeling on the floor was that we are not for a split,they were even going to try and change the name to make it a total split, but were made to back down.i stood up and told them that my club (200 members)had voted on not splitting.what i did not say was that if they do,we will pull the plug on the comp section. jim
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Post by morris on Apr 8, 2006 16:52:22 GMT -5
The way it came across to me today that this has all to do with money i might be wrong but thats the way i see it.
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 8, 2006 16:59:58 GMT -5
got it in one, jim
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 9, 2006 4:22:12 GMT -5
hametied is correct in what was said,but i think all is not lost .there were some embarrassed faces on the top table when they realised that the general feeling on the floor was that we are not for a split,they were even going to try and change the name to make it a total split, but were made to back down.i stood up and told them that my club (200 members)had voted on not splitting.what i did not say was that if they do,we will pull the plug on the comp section. jim Do we have enough depth of support to challenge these people? I'm not saying a split is the right or wrong way to go, I'm just concerned that this decision has been taken for the wrong reasons. In doing so, they are likely to lead us into chaos and decline, as I don't believe we have talented enough individuals on this committee to see us through. I for one am prepared to challenge these people. If anybody feels strongly enough - and to gauge the depth of support - and we want to mobilise, let's put together a plan that at least puts a bunch of questions to the right people. northdeeps
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Post by hametied on Apr 9, 2006 5:27:34 GMT -5
hametied is correct in what was said,but i think all is not lost .there were some embarrassed faces on the top table when they realised that the general feeling on the floor was that we are not for a split,they were even going to try and change the name to make it a total split, but were made to back down.i stood up and told them that my club (200 members)had voted on not splitting.what i did not say was that if they do,we will pull the plug on the comp section. jim Do we have enough depth of support to challenge these people? I'm not saying a split is the right or wrong way to go, I'm just concerned that this decision has been taken for the wrong reasons. In doing so, they are likely to lead us into chaos and decline, as I don't believe we have talented enough individuals on this committee to see us through. I for one am prepared to challenge these people. If anybody feels strongly enough - and to gauge the depth of support - and we want to mobilise, let's put together a plan that at least puts a bunch of questions to the right people. northdeeps I think the time to challenge or question people was yesterday at the meeting. I dont know the usual turnout at these as it was my first time attending but there was only about 25-30 in the body of the hall. from about 400 clubs this is a poor show. i appreciate not everyone can make it but there were not 300 appologies. I feel that a lot of the people who will moan about things not working would run a mile if asked to actually do something about it. its the usual story of me me me me. wullie
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 9, 2006 6:50:08 GMT -5
Do we have enough depth of support to challenge these people? I'm not saying a split is the right or wrong way to go, I'm just concerned that this decision has been taken for the wrong reasons. In doing so, they are likely to lead us into chaos and decline, as I don't believe we have talented enough individuals on this committee to see us through. I for one am prepared to challenge these people. If anybody feels strongly enough - and to gauge the depth of support - and we want to mobilise, let's put together a plan that at least puts a bunch of questions to the right people. northdeeps I think the time to challenge or question people was yesterday at the meeting. I dont know the usual turnout at these as it was my first time attending but there was only about 25-30 in the body of the hall. from about 400 clubs this is a poor show. i appreciate not everyone can make it but there were not 300 appologies. I feel that a lot of the people who will moan about things not working would run a mile if asked to actually do something about it. its the usual story of me me me me. wullie I need to disagree with you on that one. My experience is that by the time such major decisions get to the AGM, they are usually well and truly done and dusted and any attempt to subvert these proclamations are futile. I also think the reason people are apathetic about these things is because they have a feeling of isolation and the only conduit to the decision making process is through their respective clubs - a symptom of the current culture and the poor democracy that exists within the organisation. We feel startled by the enormity of all of this stuff and in many ways it paralyses us and we end up just getting swept along. We honestly believe that these people hold all the aces, when in actual fact they are so blinkered by their own ambition that they can't see thing objectively, and that is their Achilles heel. We have a lot of strengths that we can play to if we just start to think about things and we also have many guns that we can point at them and demand that they toe the line., we just need to recognise this and organise and mobilise. One question we need answered - and if we're determined enough let's think of ways do so - is what the real strength of feeling is amongst the grass root membership about this move, or is it just a few sad cynics bitching on a forum? Remember it only takes a few brave men and if there is enough stomach for a challenge, I'm prepared to jump on board - who'll join me? northdeeps
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 9, 2006 7:35:49 GMT -5
i'm ready to fight ,but am not good with words.i really feel that this split is bad for sana, as do the main sana board.but seem helpless to stop it. as hametied says apathy rules.
jim
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Post by kelsonstripper on Apr 9, 2006 9:58:04 GMT -5
Jim was in France and I do believe he gave up the chairman`s position a while back, he resigned from the committee long before the AGM.
"My club is pulling out if a vote goes against their view???" Nice to see democracy is alive and kicking. If we dont agree with a decision we want our ball back .
I also notice you didn`t mention the clubs who have pulled out because they dont want to pay SANA £50 plus for in their view, no return.
The problem has been caused by SANA going Ltd, there is no way that the competition section could maintain autonomy in a limited company and that means that the SANA board could take control of the competition members funds at anytime if they had full control.
There never could have been a vote on any breakaway, to have a vote the item must be on the agm agenda.
As to the commonwealth, they will not receive caps as this competition is not under the competition sections control, the words were I believe a toy competition.
Pity some of you didn`t stay for the afternoon session, where the SANA board were in the process of forming a new competitions committee, luckily enough, some of the morning guests stayed and made sure some interested competition anglers were put on the new committee.
LOL bit long winded but ask if theres anything else you want to know about both meetings.
Tight lines.
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Post by dunkeldredflash on Apr 9, 2006 10:14:06 GMT -5
The turn out was a bit lower than normal, probably because of the changed date.
As someone said earlier in the thread, its the peeps who attend the agm that get their views heard, if your not their you are kinda invisible like.
I seem to recall the top table trying to suggest that the competition section should call them selves sana competitions ltd, the feeling appeared to be against reverting to the old name of snaca.
Someone from ayrshire did say several clubs in their area had pulled out from the competition section because they do not want to pay the sana membership fee. someone else agreed with that and said the same was happening in their area.
Kelson is correct too, the afternoon meeting was in the process of forming a new competition section. Some members had been sounded out in advance and when Ian Campbell`s name was put forward as director there was a rather stunned silence before it was agreed.
Not that i`m suggesting there was any untoward reason for this.
Anyway, both the new sana ltd and the competitions section have stated they will work together and opperate things as they did before.
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Post by Daver on Apr 9, 2006 10:50:07 GMT -5
too mnay new people and not enough real names here, too much hiding behind usernames I would have been there but had to work and have no holidays left. I get the feeling that there are a few SANA committee members now posting here, I certainly know they are watching this forum dont I? The world is a small place and the fishing world in Scotland is even smaller Rgds...David Downie
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 9, 2006 11:01:41 GMT -5
i did stay for the afternoon,and your right there was stunned silence when mr campbell was proposed . as for democracy our club wrote to sana 10mths ago stating that as sana was the organising body and the comp section was under its umberella, if it had to seperate the the comp section would no longer have any authority to run national events . this was discussed at our agm and it was unanimously agreed(thats democracy) that we did not want a split. we did not say we would pull out of sana,but i found it interesting that sana feel that they have to organise two comps,for funds ?(whats the comp section for) it surely not outwith the bounds of reality that some sort of agreement could be found to protect sana comp ltd funds from the main body.to go down this line of seperation at this time is madness.
jim
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