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Post by thewidowsson on Mar 30, 2006 17:58:51 GMT -5
hi all, there will definitely be a proposal that the competition section, breakaway from sana, and call themself snaca. this has been discussed and the feeling is, that the members may go down this line. if you want to air your views, make sure you attend the agm. thewidowsson.
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Mar 30, 2006 18:06:21 GMT -5
i can tell you that my club, 200 members has discussed this, and if sana go down this line we will pull out. we have written and told them this,they do not have our vote to split.
jim
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Post by doods on Mar 30, 2006 18:23:17 GMT -5
If the national was open to all individuals, us being patriotic Scots, would have thousands of entries. This would be impractical. If you want to enter the National just make-up a club pay the dues and bingo your in, just like alot of others do!. Stinks but if you can't beat them I suggest you join them.
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Mar 30, 2006 18:45:35 GMT -5
doods .your right, it does happen. jim
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Post by osprey on Mar 31, 2006 0:36:53 GMT -5
jhunter Northdeeps is right,and I"m shocked and saddened to see the Sana comps president become involved in name calling on a public forum. Can you tell me why you capped the weights of fish in some national prelims and semis last season but not others? Why was Carron asked not to stock prior to last years semi?
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Post by TOSHY on Mar 31, 2006 1:55:59 GMT -5
I think i will cancel my outing the day of the AGM just to see Northdeeps and jhunter doing POWDER PUFFS AT TWENTY PACES,come on lads no need for all this ,Enough trouble in the world without grown men falling out about fishing, By the way we could get Bigrex to be the REF ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Daver on Mar 31, 2006 2:34:17 GMT -5
New President this year and his name is Rab Fullerton, we will see if that is any better. Jimmy give it up is my advice do not come on here as an acting member and try to defend yourself you will be shot down most of the time sometimes deserverd and sometimes not. Hametied and all the rest, Open up the national, I would not have a problem with that but as SANA Comps are struggling now with rules and numbers etc. if it was opened up to anyone the logistics would be huge and mostly impossible to control and then what the point of fishing for your club to get the national place. The cream will always rise to the top and I for one aint afraid of any competition. Northdeeps, yes you are right in many ways and I now understand that you use the ways of the force AGM will be interesting especially with all the hype flying around at the moment about the way the Commonwealth team has been hand selected and there is a possiblity of caps being given to those involved which is bang out of order if it turns out to be the case, pity i'm at work (not for much longer ) and I cannot make it. But I bet that there is not enough time to discuss it. Rgds.............Dave
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Post by northdeeps on Mar 31, 2006 12:10:23 GMT -5
Northdeeps Does this ring a bell While you're at it get a job and have a wash. Now f**k off you piece of garbage and hug a tree or something. Now who are you to criticize me when all thats going on is a good bit of banter. Let me set you straight on a couple of things: Firstly, I don't represent anybody but myself, so my coming on here, making statements and getting into a barny with somebody isn't likely to discredit anybody else but me. You, on the other hand, do and as one of my representatives, I find your infantile "banter" an affront. Why can't you adopt a professional approach and inform people without resorting to the customary puerile piffle that we've all come to expect from our organisation leaders? Secondly, you should get your facts right before you speak! The quote that you quoted from me wasn't about my football team with the inference that it was directed at a member of this forum. No, it was directed at an "anti" that had the cheek to post here a few weeks back. I would never suggest you were an idiot, or a lightweight as I simply don't know you from Adam. But you have to admit... the evidence is stacking up. northdeeps
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Post by northdeeps on Mar 31, 2006 12:43:40 GMT -5
I have to agree that the time has come to rethink the way we conduct the national competition in favour of the individual. And let me just say one thing before we start. My competition fishing ability isn't likely to get me into any international team, so before anybody jumps on me, this is not about me thinking of easier ways to get in the team.
The following figures aren't exact, but they are near the mark.
SANA currently claims to have around 450 paying clubs, which, by their reckoning, amounts to thirty-thousand affiliated members. The main complaint is that they need around thirty-thousand pounds to operate without loss, which amounts to £1 per affiliated member. Now, if clubs were to pay a levy per member of one pound, which was the responsibility of the individual, that would solve the funding issue. However, there are two main problems:
One, most (sorry, I should say a lot) of these so called clubs don't even exist and are merely fronts for certain individuals to get repeat shots at the national.
Two, asking individuals to pay a levy would force the organisation to give that individual a say in matters and we might just see an end to the block vote system that keeps the power brokers in power and an introduction of one-member-one-vote.
Here's what I would propose: Clubs continue to pay SANA dues, with a £1 levy for every named member - funding sorted!
Individuals within those clubs would pay a fee to join the competition section with an entitlement to fish in the national - bitching sorted!
The national would run from the start of the season to the end of the season on competition standard venues (Leven, Mentieth etc.) in the same way as the club championship does - revenue for fisheries sorted!
Officials would be disbarred from competing - true reasons for joining committee exposed... frauds sorted!
northdeeps
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Post by northdeeps on Mar 31, 2006 13:10:05 GMT -5
New President this year and his name is Rab Fullerton, we will see if that is any better. Jimmy give it up is my advice do not come on here as an acting member and try to defend yourself you will be shot down most of the time sometimes deserverd and sometimes not. Hametied and all the rest, Open up the national, I would not have a problem with that but as SANA Comps are struggling now with rules and numbers etc. if it was opened up to anyone the logistics would be huge and mostly impossible to control and then what the point of fishing for your club to get the national place. The cream will always rise to the top and I for one aint afraid of any competition. Northdeeps, yes you are right in many ways and I now understand that you use the ways of the force AGM will be interesting especially with all the hype flying around at the moment about the way the Commonwealth team has been hand selected and there is a possiblity of caps being given to those involved which is bang out of order if it turns out to be the case, pity i'm at work (not for much longer ) and I cannot make it. But I bet that there is not enough time to discuss it. Rgds.............Dave Daver, I take your point about the logistics involved, but we (or the organisation) needs to start thinking outside the box. why can't we devolve power down the way and look at a network of local organisers, or venue sub-committee organisers? This is one of the very few national sporting organisations that doesn't have grass roots involvement in organising the national championships. Who says the committee have to run all competition heats? Are we saying that there isn't a wealth of individual talent within our ranks capable of doing this with the right guidance and training? I bet this organisation is bursting a the seams with untapped talent! Area heats? Venue heats? County heats? Folk with baldy head heats? There are a million ways to mitigate the logistical difficulties of such an undertaking, it just needs us to break away from the conventional thinking routine. Now, please don't give me the if it aint broke speech, because if one thing is obvious, it is just that. Things are broke. People at grass roots are very disgruntled and I'm sure you would agree that its not just one or two people. The overwhelming consensus amongst the members is that these people couldn't run the proverbial piss up, but still they continue to bury their heads in the sand sure in their own minds that they are doing a great job. And that will be the organisations eventual death knell. Maybe not this year or next, but it will eventually disintegrate if we don't change. ps not sure what you meant by ways of the force, but I'll take it as a compliment. northdeeps
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Post by john on Mar 31, 2006 18:22:30 GMT -5
'Officials would be disbarred from competing - true reasons for joining committee exposed... frauds sorted!' If they pay their fees why should they be disbarred? Why, having fixed the problem ,are you so frightened of competing with them. I will make no further comment on any of this.
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Post by morris on Apr 1, 2006 0:53:52 GMT -5
I think jim bob you should just give up, afterall since you are the """""chairman"""""" of sana you are ment to act in a fair open minded way. not in the narrow/single minded way you are on here. i would give you a spade to dig a hole and jump in. But feel you have dug a big enough one you and your stuck up bubbies.
As on old pal once said " YOU FLY WITH THE CROWS , YOU GET SHOT WITH THE CROWS"
3lb grayling no hint of a threat here, a lady never fights
north deep you are spot on!
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Post by northdeeps on Apr 1, 2006 4:06:29 GMT -5
'Officials would be disbarred from competing - true reasons for joining committee exposed... frauds sorted!' If they pay their fees why should they be disbarred? Why, having fixed the problem ,are you so frightened of competing with them. I will make no further comment on any of this. Why would I be afraid of competing with them? I said at the top of my piece that I was never likely to come up to international standard however easy it was to qualify. I do know some of the guys on the committee and some of them can fish a bit, but that's not the issue. I think we have to understand that this organisation is as high as it gets in Scottish fishing and in terms of importance, it rates alongside the Royal and Ancient , the SFA and the SRU. Anybody who wants to work as an official on any national governing body's committee should do so for one reason and one reason alone: the desire to make a difference to the organisation. Any personal gain that comes from being on such a committee should be the satisfaction that your hard work has moved the organisation in some small way to a better place. Debarring committee members from competing is one step closer to proving that your organisation is above reproach. Why do you think Kellogg's Corn Flakes and the like have a statement disqualifying employees and their families from entering competitions run by them? Because it's the right and proper thing to do. Maybe I've been a bit harsh at times and made sweeping statements that don't necessarily apply to all committee members, but for too long we, the members, have had to sit back and listen to some of the bickering and in-fighting that goes on without so much as a hiya to the paying members. Where is my voice in all of this? Who asks me? If there is a proposal for the competitions section to break away, why haven't the members been consulted and the whole thing opened up for wider debate to the membership? Have the benefits of such a break away been "sold" to it's members? Has there been a reasoned argument laid before us in order for us to weigh up the pro's and cons? Have they put together a think-tank that covers all aspects of the proposed break away including: the reasons for it, how it will be carried out and where will it take us? Have they undertaken a risk assessment and formulated a proposal to mitigate any probable risks? Have the financial implications been thought through and funding proposals put forward to mitigate any probable risk? Is there any strategic advantage in breaking away, or is it purely a case of being cheesed off with the rest of the organisation? Etc. Etc. Etc. If there are positive answers to the above questions, I'd like to hear them and I will go away forever. If not, I would like somebody to tell me why not? That's what professional organisations do! Northdeeps
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Apr 1, 2006 5:11:09 GMT -5
thats the most sense iv'e seen on this issue so far.c'mon sana .all the above makes sense.get somebody to bring it up tommorow.
jim
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Post by peekers on Apr 1, 2006 8:01:56 GMT -5
just read through this ;D here was me thinking I might get involved in comps one day - it might be fun, well bollocks to that ;D good luck boys may the best man win
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