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Post by Sewinbasher on Oct 7, 2005 3:34:17 GMT -5
The best way to choose a team to fish an international match on a wild brown trout water is to see who can catch the most rainbows on Blobs or grayling on bugs - discuss.
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Post by piscator on Oct 7, 2005 5:55:33 GMT -5
This will always be a problem because of the waters they fish the heats and finals on. This has been talked about for years, but I don,t think it will change
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Post by Dog on Oct 7, 2005 6:35:19 GMT -5
The best way to select a team to fish for Wild Browns is to have a qualifier on a water that holds Wild Browns. Sewinbasher - where would you suggest in Wales for this idea? I wouldn't have thought Tal-y-llyn because it would be too destructive to have a match on such a fishery, there are not enough boats, and it quite simply is not up to that much of a tuning.
I know what you are getting at, but it is just not possible in Wales is it?
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Post by Sewinbasher on Oct 7, 2005 8:03:21 GMT -5
There is a solution I think, for still water the obvious thing would be Tal y Llyn but you are right about the impact, and there is a problem with getting enough boats on the water to hold a two day trial, however selected teams do practice there.
My solution would be to fish any of the normal venues that hold browns and rainbows and just weigh or measure the browns. Brenig, Traws and Deggie would all work as they hold some browns, and in the case of Brenig and Traws, mostly wild. If you could get the boats put on you could add Vyrnwy and Tegid (Bala) to the list and maybe even some of the Elan Valley waters and Usk reservoir in the SW.
For rivers, much the same thing, only measure browns and ignore any grayling caught and there are plenty of rivers with good wild brown populations to choose from.
Also, there's no reason why all trials should be held in Wales, both Roadford and Carsington offer brown trout fishing on a largish scale and there's always the Lake District - travelling would be the problem here although Roadford is probably nearer for many S Wales anglers than Brenig.
My overall point is that to select a team that can catch rainbows and grayling is of no great help when the event is on Conn, Corrib, Irish rivers of the Hebrides for Home Internationals and similar venues for World and European events, and where none of these skills will be of much use.
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Post by Dog on Oct 7, 2005 8:14:42 GMT -5
Your point is a good one, but I don't think that there is much that can be done. I have fished a Spring match on Conn, but knew what to expect as I go every year. Some of the other lads had not been on a Lough before, so were on a steep learning curve. It's part of the scene. It is the same when the Irish lads have to fish a match on say Rutland for example - how are they meant to pick a team that will be stocky-bashing, when they qualify on those wonderful natural fisheries? Swings and roundabouts I reckon.
Fishing for wild browns or any browns for that matter on Traws or Brenig would be a nightmare. Imagine all those boats congregating up at the footbridge trying to wallop all those little 10oz wild fish. Not on in my opinion.
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Post by Sewinbasher on Oct 7, 2005 8:24:29 GMT -5
Fair points, one other idea would be to have a couple of "wild cards" that the Captain or selection committee could use to put in anglers that may not have qualified through trials but were known to be good anglers for natural fish. The majority of the team would then be selected in the usual transparent way but strengthened by including anglers who would do well in the particular competition venue.
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Post by Dog on Oct 7, 2005 8:34:44 GMT -5
Problem here is the phrase 'known to be good anglers for natural fish' - it WOULD cause problems. There might be a couple of old b*stards that fish up in Brecon every day of the week catching brownie after brownie, but not be 'known' to anybody. Then you might have the usual suspects on the trial scene who have had the odd good day on a natural fishery in the company of the, erm, 'selection committee' and would receive an invite. Oh dear.
Dodgy. The usual 'transparent' way is the only way I'm affraid. It's not that bad anyway - pulling a blob doesn't ensure a place in the team.
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Post by elwyman on Oct 10, 2005 15:50:58 GMT -5
I haven't fished a comp for 20 odd years, or the Brenig for a long time, but the Brenig fish used to repond fairly well to traditional top of the water tactics - Bibio etc
If you're 'training' for Ireland, wouldn't it make sense to pick your venue and time and restrict everybody to traditional flies etc? Or do Brenig fish only take Blobs on a HiDi line nowadays?
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Post by Dog on Oct 11, 2005 2:27:24 GMT -5
Funnily enough Elwyman, things have gone full circle at Brenig regarding methods. Anglers there over the last year or two are discovering the effectiveness of traditionals, and dabblers etc are being made out as the next great thing. Ironic thing is though, they have always worked that well, but so many people get swept away with the new 'trends and fashions' in fishing techniques that 'stroking wets back through the wave' had to take a back seat. It is the anglers that have continued to fish with the old, steady fish-catching methods, that have stood out as consistent anglers, so people have watched them, learnt from them, and we are nearly back to where it all started from! Fishing nicely near the top!
Obviously, some of the newer techniques - blobs on DI-7s etc - will work, so are another useful trick to have up the sleeve.
I think what you are saying is a good point. Restricting anglers to fish traditional methods is an interesting idea. However, as competition anglers, the driving force is catching fish - restricting to traditionals might crush the innovative approach of some very succesful fishermen. Innovation and adaptability is something that is still required even out on an Irish Lough. Your point is very interesting though.
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Post by Chris on Oct 11, 2005 5:25:15 GMT -5
It strikes me that this is no different to any other selection process such as the national football team. If you are away playing against Norway or Iceland and you are going to be playing on a field covered in snow, then why pick players who can pass the ball well along the floor? Why pick the same team to play against Brazil and against a team who hoof the ball and run?
I am adamant that there are people out there who are much better at football than a lot of the top guys but they are maybe not noticed or given the chances.
Chris
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