Rolly polly

[TOSHY]

I am wondering what the general feeling is on the Rolly polly retrieve being allowed in some competitions,as after speaking to some anglers there is mixed feelings ,it will be interesting what most comp anglers think on this subject,my own thoughts are that it does not bother me

[Chris]

I fail to see the problem with it and why some people want it banned.
It is no worse than stripping a lure back as quickly as is humanly possible.

I'm against banning any methods for no good reason.

Chris

[Daver]

Tosh,

I really do not have a problem with it as it is a method that everyone can do and it also helps anglers who suffer from problems when trying to fig o 8.

All these different retrieve should be used and on a regular basis as you know yourself what happens medical wise when you do the one retrive all the time you get RSI and it aint good. My broken hand is still giving me jip when doing a fig o 8 so being able to do a really slow roly poly help give my hand a rest.

Cheers

Dave

[rad]

I dont have a problem with it some times of the year it is an excellent method if the fish want a consistant retieve. Some people say its like reeling the line in so what it catches fish.

rolly polly rad

[simmo]

flyfishingguru said:

I fail to see the problem with it and why some people want it banned.
It is no worse than stripping a lure back as quickly as is humanly possible.

I'm against banning any methods for no good reason.

Chris

Well said Chris

[robbie]

Hi There,

I would first like to say that this is a personal view and I am not looking for a fight! Ha Ha


Fly-Fishing by its very definition is a self imposed restrictive form of fishing.

If all we wished to do was catch fish we would use spinners or baits or nets or even (God Forbid) cymag!

International Rules Loch Style Fly-fishing is probably one of the most restrictive forms of any kind of Fly-fishing.

Therefore as a Fly Angler and even more so as a Competition Angler we are all drawing a line in the sand somewhere.


For me personally the roly-poly is a step too far.

It is not so long ago that under International Rules you were not allowed to "Imitate the Minnow"

This meant that you were not allowed to retrieve the fly quickly. This rule generally proved to be unworkable as one man's fast was another man's medium.

The rule was subsequently dropped.

Now I know that you can strip a blob almost as fast as the roly-poly and that you can do the roly-poly slowly. However for me the most important rule in Competition Fly-fishing is the first one which states that the we should fish in the Spirit and Tradition of the Sport.

I do not think that tucking a rod under your arm is in the Spirit or Tradition of Loch Style Fly-fishing.

Maybe Blob Stripping is also against this rule and might need to be looked at. However any new rule has to be easily understood and enforced so it might be difficult.

So for me the roly-poly should not be allowed as it is beyond my personal line in the sand.

Best Regards

[piscator]

Bit like the bung method, it seems to cause some contraversy in competition circles. Does not bother me one way or the other.

[TOSHY]

The BUNG should be banned from Competition Fishing ,I don't mind guys using it in Bank fisheries or on fun days but in Loch Style competitions it should not be allowed ,but as we have seen in previous posts some anglers disagree with that ,But back to rolly polly one reason i started this was a statement made at Grafham about an angler pulling like a Bombay Rapist and one Rolly pollying who's flys give the best action,the puller caught more on that day ,but who can say it will work the next day,open to debate

[piscator]

When a method is working above others, there are always some people who want it banned, we,ve heard it all before. Ban the booby, ban the blob, ban the bung, ban the roly poly. WHY? The moaners are usually those who can,t fish it properly. The comp scene is restricted enough as it is, each to their own. There is no one method that garantees fish, every method has it,s day.

[Dog]

Roly-poly should be allowed in all comps. Banning it because it was 'ungentlemanly' is ridiculous. There is no plausible argument, and it does actually take a certain level of skill or ability to fish this retrieve effectively.

[captain]

piscator said:

When a method is working above others, there are always some people who want it banned, we,ve heard it all before. Ban the booby, ban the blob, ban the bung, ban the roly poly. WHY? The moaners are usually those who can,t fish it properly. The comp scene is restricted enough as it is, each to their own. There is no one method that guarantees fish, every method has it,s day.

I can fish all methods including the Bung...... Again, I realise how effective it is by actually doing it! and YES! I could teach a Chimp to do it and possibly win! ;D.. no room for it.. now, blobs...boobys....Roly Poly... ? absolutely no issues whatsoever! .. all the former 'methods' include casting and working the flies back to the boat... they will do for me. Ps, I doubt I could teach a Chimp how to cast though...

[john]

Think the objection to it in International Rules is that the rod is not held in the hand which is presumably seen as part of traditional fishing. Push and pull was then developed as a subsitute and presumably gets the same effect whilst still holding the rod. Doesn't bother me either way but agree the line has to be drawn somewhere and there will never be total agreement as to where.

[hongkongstewy]

Just a point worth considering and follows on from John above.....

The IFFA (International Fly Fishing Association) which administers all Home Internationals do not allow the rolly polly..fact. This has been agreed by all the Home Nations despite a few representations over the years to have it introduced.

If you can't use it in the International....what is the use of being able to use it in the English National and Eliminators etc.

There is some obvious confusion confusion over International Rules...

there are THE IFFA International Rules and there is in England the CEFF Rules.

You can Rolly Polly in English Competitions but you can't in the International rules. I'm not sure about SANA (Scotland) WSSTA (Wales ) and Ireland...perhaps some of you could clarify?

This probably explains why people easily get confused....I know I do !!!!!

HKS.
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[john]

SANA follow IFFA rules.

[captain]

HKS wrote:
If you can't use it in the International....what is the use of being able to use it in the English National and Eliminators etc.



In Eliminators you have a 'strict' code of practice regarding fly / hook size in both Loch style and Rivers... in both disciplines, there can follow selection to both World and Euro teams... where fly size is NOT an issue.... confusing even further??