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Post by vivaecosse on Apr 10, 2006 11:02:04 GMT -5
hi lads, first post here ,this forum has some excellent reading,could anyone advise me on the correct cape colour choice for palmering the body of a humungous/shuggie,ive tried cree and badger ,both work but whats the original??
much appreciated,pete
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Post by hametied on Apr 10, 2006 11:26:46 GMT -5
vivaecosse,
the correct hackle is grizzle. the larger and 'webbier' the better giving plenty of movement.
wullie
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Post by vivaecosse on Apr 10, 2006 11:41:44 GMT -5
cheers wullie, thats perfect mate,will it make any odds if its a genetic cape or a standard one.
thanks ,pete
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Post by Daver on Apr 10, 2006 12:09:32 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Wullie sorry to contradict you but grizzle aint the correct hackle. It is actually called chincilla and it certainly aint a genetic, chinese are the best webby yes and soft. It is a cross between cree and honeydun and the original that I was given was tied an Olive hackle and had a black body (floss) with a copper rib and some silver flash on the top of the black marabou tail. Im sure I took a picture of the proper cape somewhere on this forum. If I get time I will post tonigth but be warned they are few and far between, I manage to get the last 5 from Turrels for myself  C heers dave Downie |
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Post by doonicus on Apr 10, 2006 12:46:56 GMT -5
Hi vivaecosse,
Great choice of name, and the flags are brill! Welcome to the forum, and if you cannot get an arguement with the missus, you can find one here, guaranteed! Some really good tips as well.
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Post by vivaecosse on Apr 10, 2006 14:16:08 GMT -5
thanks for the replies lads,davie as you have said probably no much chance getting the original so maybe you could recommend a sutibal alternative??
doonicus,appreciate the advice..lol, fortunaitly i have nae probs getting an argument with the other half,but ill bare it in mind...cheers.
looking forward to adding to the forum,cheers.
pete.
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Post by Terry Phillips on Apr 10, 2006 15:30:14 GMT -5
viva,
If you are stuck finding the cape that Daver suggested then go for a standard indian cock cape in 'badger' does the job well.
Regards,
Terry.
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Post by vivaecosse on Apr 10, 2006 16:08:19 GMT -5
ok terry,appreciated mate,ill dig one out and give it a spin,am i right in saying hackle size is slightly out of proportion to the fly to get the desired effect?? thanks all.
pete.
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Post by Ruthvenflyfisher on Apr 13, 2006 17:57:37 GMT -5
vivaecosse
I have the Chinese ones in stock at the moment. Have sent you a pm.
Cheers
Gerry
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Post by Terry Phillips on Apr 13, 2006 19:37:02 GMT -5
Viva, Here's an example of something similar I've tied (terrible photograph, sorry), this is tied with a silver bead rather than the bead chain eyes but that's just my personal preference. If you are buying an Indian cape you want to be selecting the feathers from half way up. The hackle should be about 1 1/2 cm protruding from the hook shank, although I have seen them tied much longer (Dancer style).  That's how I tie them anyway, black/silver is my fav. as it has taken rainbows, browns, blues, goldies and tigers for me. Not many patterns I could say that about. Good Luck, Terry. |
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Post by vivaecosse on Apr 14, 2006 1:16:31 GMT -5
thanks for the pointer terry,much apreciated,gerry ill be in toutch after the weekend ,hope this is ok ,thanks again
pete.
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Post by Daver on Apr 15, 2006 4:11:27 GMT -5
Terry, Not too bad but do not take this the wrong way but many people have tried to tie this pattern and they have failed I have seen picture on website and they are wrong and not by a bit but by a mile. Nothing works better than the proper one and yes a single bead version does work fine but not as good as the full blown one below. I know you are just offering your view and I am not knocking you so do not take offence please   The size of the hackle matters as this fly is all about movement, tail, flash and hackle they all move and pulse together to make this IMHO the best lure ever and I even think it is better than the Cats Whisker. Cheers Dave |
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Post by Terry Phillips on Apr 16, 2006 14:00:19 GMT -5
Don't worry Dave, no offense taken. The reason why ours have a bushier and more sparkly body than the ones you have tied is because the one I've had most success with was tied with a bushy lureflash holographic fritz body. I trailed these at the start of this season and took 18 & 15 in two trips to Stocks followed by 13 in a 5 hour session at Mere Beck fishery on the black & silver version, so they are working very well. Perhaps that just enforces my point that they don't have to be tied exactly to ingredients if Vivaecossse is struggling to find sources for all the 'correct' materials.
I'll knock a few together with the skinny bodies like in you're photographs and give them a go. Is that body material one of yours?
Regards,
Terry.
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