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Newbie
Feb 9, 2006 7:58:59 GMT -5
Post by avonman on Feb 9, 2006 7:58:59 GMT -5
Hi
I'm a newbie, both to the forums and rod building. I've been fly fishing, mainly on the Hampshire Avon, for some years now but I've just decided to have a go at this rod business. I decided to have a go at rennovating an old cane rod to start with and I ve just picked up some old stick of ebay for £7 and I do mean stick. Still it will be great practice and I'm going to learn a bundle before spending some more serious money on a decent blank - I'm afraid I think I'm going to be somthing of a cane fanatic though.
I've a couple of questions that I would love answers to if anyone can help. Ive stripped off the rings (having noted where they were on the rod) but I now need to strip off the old varnish, what is left of it, and the ferrules need taking off too, one (it's a three peice 8 foot rod) is broken so I plan to replace them all.
Could anyone suggest the best way to do either of these things? The thought had struck me that I could just saw the old ferrules off and put some new ones on making the rod 7'9'' - remember this is a £7 play thing (I've no idea who made it and to be frank I'm not sure if they would have owned up to it anyway!).
Anyway any ideas would be fantastic.
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PeteH
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Newbie
Feb 9, 2006 8:52:02 GMT -5
Post by PeteH on Feb 9, 2006 8:52:02 GMT -5
Hi
Welcome to the forum and to rod building. Working with bamboo rods can be more involved than carbon rods, but don't let that stop you. its great fun.
I definitely wouldn't saw the ferrules off. This would not only shorten the rod, but it would change the taper significantly. You would end up with a significant difference in the diameter of the blank from one section to the next.
Ferrules can usually be removed by careful heating with a hot air gun. Occasionally they're pinned to the blank, so I would check first that yours isn't.
If the varnish is old and brittle I use the back of a blade to scrape it off. On newer varnish you can use paint stripper and clean it up throughly afterwards.
The 'powerfibres' which provide the strength in bamboo are densest (sp?) at the surface so try to avoid damaging or reducing the surface material when your working on it.
Good Luck
Pete
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Newbie
Feb 9, 2006 8:52:21 GMT -5
Post by bloke on Feb 9, 2006 8:52:21 GMT -5
Avonman That is your best plan I am sure, but I would try heating the ferrules with a blow torch first, you might find they slide off.....careful with the flame !
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Newbie
Feb 9, 2006 12:20:25 GMT -5
Post by avonman on Feb 9, 2006 12:20:25 GMT -5
Thanks guys, you mean I get to play with a blow torch and a fishing rod? I'm truely in heaven!
An excellent tip re not cutting the ferrules off to save the taper, I'd simply not thought about that!
I'll have a go over the next few days and let you know how it goes.
Thanks again
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Newbie
Feb 10, 2006 10:39:53 GMT -5
Post by bloke on Feb 10, 2006 10:39:53 GMT -5
Post us a pic of your workshop on fire...!
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Newbie
Feb 10, 2006 13:01:01 GMT -5
Post by beckster on Feb 10, 2006 13:01:01 GMT -5
Careful with the blowtorch,i've found that blowtorches and loss of finger prints go hand in hand. GOOD LUCK and post some pics. ;D ;D ;D
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Newbie
Feb 11, 2006 12:12:17 GMT -5
Post by finecanerods on Feb 11, 2006 12:12:17 GMT -5
Avonman, I would go for the hot air gun unless you have a deft technique with a blow torch. Most air guns are heat controllable and you want to use the minimum required for three reasons. Firstly you can damage the cane itself by overheating, secondly you can fail the glue so the strips de-bond and thirdly you can melt the solder that is often present in the ferrules. Get over zealous with a blow torch and you will find out if either of these occur before the ferrule shifts. Cycles of heating and cooling work better than continuously heating and you need at least a rubber glove and preferably a ferrule puller to grip the beast and draw it off. If you want a source of information on all you will ever need to know try the rodmakers site at: www.canerod.com/rodmakers/Best of luck Gary Marshall www.finecanerods.com/
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Newbie
Feb 11, 2006 13:31:43 GMT -5
Post by Silver Stoat on Feb 11, 2006 13:31:43 GMT -5
.........the beast and draw it off. The operative word being "draw" - don't twist as you pull. The glue holding the segments together will be softened by the heat and a twist could cause the section to de-laminate. Dave.
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Newbie
Feb 12, 2006 2:25:56 GMT -5
Post by avonman on Feb 12, 2006 2:25:56 GMT -5
Well, I managed to get them off yesterday evening after some hours of heating and cooling. In the end I resorted to pliers and brute force and ignorance. Still, I got them off without any damage to the spigots nor twisting of the cane. I've also scrapped off the old varnish and removed the cork and reel seat.
Now I'm going to soak it in linseed oil for a while - it really is a dry old stick - while I wait for the parts to arrive.
I've taken a few photos but I'm not captian technical with these things so I'll have to wait until the other half gives me a hand on that front. I'm still using a box brownie and silver nitrate plates I'm afraid :-)
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