lined guides or snakes

[andymck1]

I like the idea of fitting lined guides (Fuji, Seymo type) in preference to snakes.
-has anybody got other opinions I should be aware of - I would appreciate the knowledge of other anglers

The rod will be(most likely) a harrison 9 ft 6in #7/8

thanks
Andy

[jan]

flyforums.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1137625930

and folow the links to earlier discussions.

enjoy

[andymck1]

Thanks Jan
Answered my question.
To be honest I was a little surprised by how much support the Lined rings got, previous info I have found seems very much in favor of snakes,(especially when you consider pretty much all manufacturers build with snakes??). Whereas I got the feeling Lined were more popular here
I will go for lined I think

One thing I never quite understood with fly rods - why have lined rings at the butt end and change to snakes down the rod??? - cost?? maybe, but still seems an odd thing to do especially if designers believe one is better than the other?

Thanks again
Andy

[Silver Stoat]

Andy,

The tip and butt rings get more wear as the angle the line makes is quite acute. Even a century ago these rings were lined, usually with agate, to slow the wear rate.

As to why lined single legs are generally not used, just tradition and the worry of having something that looks different. Also snakes are very much cheaper - until they wear and have to be replaced !
Single leg rings, at first glance, do look weaker than the two leg snakes. In fact they are pretty tough and given reasonable care will not bend or distort.

Why do you post as a guest ??

Dave.

[Lighthouse]

Another problem is the weight consideration of wire snakes v lined fuji or seymo type rings, particularly on lighter weight rods where there could be some effect on the rod's action if the rings are too 'heavy'.

The introduction of single foot wire rings that have a hard surface treatment has been of great benefit. Personally, I now only use lined rings on heavier rods designed for long casting and that are liable to heavy use with shooting heads and abrasive shooting line such as braided nylon.

[Silver Stoat]

As I have said elsewhere, there is very little difference in weight when you take into consideration that there is only one lot of whipping and resin/varnish - using single leg ceramics will often actually add less weight to the rod. This is almost certainly the case if you use the ultra lightweight Titanium/SIC type.
Many of the US builders use these rings on #3 Wt. (and lower) rods and if ever have the need of such a rod I would have no qualms about using ceramics on it.
The smooth and quiet retrieve/casting and the absence of that 'jag, jag' effect that you get when wire rings dig into the plastic line when playing a heavy fish make them essential for me.
The fact that given normal care they will never need replacing is just an added bonus.

Dave.

[3lbgrayling]

welcome to the forum andy.wonder why you were not credited for your 1st post.

jim

[Robin]

Is 30 years experience convincing?
The first fly rod on which I used lined rings got one hell of a pasting by me,and others,in fresh and saltwater,for the first 20 years of its life.
All its rings and whippings are original and do not need replacing.
Combination of Humbrol varnish,and only Humbrol varnish,and a small locking whipping just above ,but adjoining the main whipping.
I would now use Seymos,they are smoother.
You can use them on anything above a#5.
Gold Seymos don't even look too bad on cane,once you get used to them.
Snakes are an american fad,but I use good ones on cane rods that are not subject to vicious hauling,and they last well enough.
Robin

[a]

All
Thanks for all the advise - I'll go with my orig thought and fit lined guides, I prefer there quieter nature - the blank incedently will be a # 7/8,

As for not being a member and posting as a guest - I did try to register and got as far as the autherisation code - but I haven't recieved one - I resubmitted my email as instructed but still got nothing. I'm assuming that my works server is filtering the mail out, and I'm not recieving it.

Not sure about the credit for my first post -I'm a bit new to all this - so I've no idea what supossed to happen.

Must say I'm glad I found the forum - there's a hugh amount of info, sensible, honest views - rather than the sales patter I read from takle manufacturers.
And as I would only consider myself as an novice to fly fishing, I appreciate (and need) any advise I can get

Andy

[andymck2]

All
Thanks for all the advise - I'll go with my orig thought and fit lined guides, I prefer there quieter nature - the blank incidental will be a # 7/8,

As for not being a member and posting as a guest - I did try to register and got as far as the authorization code - but I haven't received one - I resubmitted my email as instructed but still got nothing. I'm assuming that my works server is filtering the mail out, and I'm not receiving it.

Not sure about the credit for my first post -I'm a bit new to all this - so I've no idea what supposed to happen.

Must say I'm glad I found the forum - there's a Hugh amount of info, sensible, honest views - rather than the sales patter I read from tackle manufacturers.
And as I would only consider myself as an novice to fly fishing, I appreciate (and need) any advise I can get

Andy