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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 3:34:29 GMT -5
Post by Dog on Sept 26, 2005 3:34:29 GMT -5
I agree - cut the costs and snazzy prizes. Nobody is interested in taking out a second mortagage so that you might get a day on the Test.
'Prizewinner' jumper, and a free International Final. Maybe the overall winners can pick up some £££'s in order to cover their costs. It is how it used to be, and how it should be.
Bugsy is right. The Lexus has really p1ssed me off this year. It cost us a bloody fortune to practice for the team event. We all had to enter the Individual comp the day before. None of us wanted to, but ended up forking out.
Back to basics seems to be the order of the day. Getting way too expensive and if it carries on this way, the only teams that will be fishing these comps, will be the ones lucky enough to get some kind of sponsorship. That can't be right.
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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 3:50:43 GMT -5
Post by simmo on Sept 26, 2005 3:50:43 GMT -5
I agree - cut the costs and snazzy prizes. Nobody is interested in taking out a second mortagage so that you might get a day on the Test. 'Prizewinner' jumper, and a free International Final. Maybe the overall winners can pick up some £££'s in order to cover their costs. It is how it used to be, and how it should be. Bugsy is right. The Lexus has really p1ssed me off this year. It cost us a bloody fortune to practice for the team event. We all had to enter the Individual comp the day before. None of us wanted to, but ended up forking out. Back to basics seems to be the order of the day. Getting way too expensive and if it carries on this way, the only teams that will be fishing these comps, will be the ones lucky enough to get some kind of sponsorship. That can't be right. Dito
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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 12:46:11 GMT -5
Post by captain on Sept 26, 2005 12:46:11 GMT -5
PLG I totally agree with you i heard a lot of talking after the meal ,how much it cost to enter the Lexus ,Not even a bag to put your fish in ,no free nylon,no free lines what a joke ,things will have to change or the Comp will go pear shaped,Iwould like to see the total income from heats and final and then what it all cost to run,and see how much PROFIT goes to whoever Captain as to the cheating ,I was saying it was wide open to abuse and agree with you the policing was not carried out in any way,I think going back to the old ways of running the comps is a great idea ,i hope someone takes you up on your offer Captain to help run the Comp you would be an asset to any one Cheers Toshy It could well happen..... We have Dave Downie o'er the boarder possibly able (with help) to organise a Scottish heat..... Campbell Baird in Ireland again with help to do the same.... Bugsy in Wales...... Captain in England... All entry fees go directly into the comp.....Free final entry...... Moderate cash winnings at the final with prestigious prizes... what do you think??
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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 13:01:17 GMT -5
Post by ex lampeter exile on Sept 26, 2005 13:01:17 GMT -5
Sounds to good to be true ;D ;D Hope it happens
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alwen
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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 13:25:16 GMT -5
Post by alwen on Sept 26, 2005 13:25:16 GMT -5
There is definitely room for another Team competition and a good Individual competition in the calendar. If it is run well and priced fairly then I am sure that there will be no shortage of teams/individuals wanting to enter. The prestige of winning is what drives the majority of competition flyfishers (if not all), and the sooner we get away from "prizes of little use" the better. This year the team I fish for didn't enter the LEFO because it's too expensive, faced with the choice of fishing the AWFMI or the LEFO it was a no-brainer, the AWFMI sets the standard for all others to follow.
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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 13:26:05 GMT -5
Post by rod682 on Sept 26, 2005 13:26:05 GMT -5
Ex Lampeter Exile,
Nice to see that you have come back to Ceredigion. If you fancy a few casts on the Teifi send us a pm as I'm based Cellan.
Cheers,
RT
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T.F.E.O
Sept 26, 2005 13:26:41 GMT -5
Post by piscator on Sept 26, 2005 13:26:41 GMT -5
Some guys at the final, had worked out what the event organisers had made after the event finished. All entry fees minus cost of boats in all countries= £63,000. Open to debate and a bit of mathematics, seems like you could be onto a winner, Captain
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TOSHY
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 6:30:53 GMT -5
Post by TOSHY on Sept 27, 2005 6:30:53 GMT -5
I think your on a winner Martin if Daver needs help i could help out on the East coast he could do the West sorting venues could be a problem ,not many entries for loch leven in either Lexus or Anglian but Daver could sort that out ,I say lets GO for it big time ,I think most hardened Comp anglers would like a nice friendly match so you wont struggle for teams entering .Lets see who's interested first .Pick the COMP name Martin and start a thread to see who's up for it Cheers Tosh
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 7:02:48 GMT -5
Post by Dog on Sept 27, 2005 7:02:48 GMT -5
I think you will find that if this idea was put into place (I think it is an excellent idea and would love to see it come about), lots and lots of teams would knock LEFC on the head, and do a new one (potentially this one being discussed) plus AWFMI. I for one would not be entering our team into the LEFC if there was another option. I think this would probably happen on quite a large scale. I can't comment on Individual stuff as it has never been of interest, but as for the team, it would be a very very welcome change. One team comp isn't enough in a year, three would be a bit much, two would be perfect. AWFMI and this one. Go for it.
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 7:12:35 GMT -5
Post by segdoune on Sept 27, 2005 7:12:35 GMT -5
Hi, Great idea and I will back it fully. If DD is too busy to take this on, I would do it or help out as best I can. Don’t let this idea die. A couple of like minded people are all that is required to make this a success. Colin
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 7:17:01 GMT -5
Post by Chris on Sept 27, 2005 7:17:01 GMT -5
Last year was my first year of competitions.
A few comments:
You shouldn't have to pay for the goody bags. If companies are sponsoring the event then the items should be given out for free - it's just advertising after all. Having to pay an extra £25 or whatever it is each time just to get a line and a bass bag is not value for money.
The main prize for the LEFC of a Lexus for one year is balls. If I was to win that the insurance on it would be about £10,000 a year. How about the people who don't drive? What use do they have for it? How about the elderly who don't want something like that? As far as prizes go, £1000 tackle voucher or a fishing holiday would be adequate. At least you have something you can keep.
Fish limits is something that got me wound up. If you are paying £30 for fishing fees and are then fishing to a reduced limit of say 6 fish, then you are getting buggered twice. Once because the organiser is getting reduced boat rates and then again because you aren't even getting your full limit available to you.
I would be more than happy to support a new competition should someone organise it.
Chris
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 7:28:00 GMT -5
Post by flyfisher1 on Sept 27, 2005 7:28:00 GMT -5
Found this discussion very interesting but feel I must pitch in with a few thoughts: We know before we enter these comps what the prizes will be. We are not forced to enter and know the likely long term costs. In the old B&H days, I recall that they came in for critisism too over the organisers 'milking' the event, so eventaully it folded. Its human nature to be critical over others attempts to provide us with something. I agree a new future comp based on low entry fees and a prestigeous trophy is whats required now but the organisers may well find themselves in the same position in a couple of years! In other words be careful what you wish for as it may well come back to bite you!
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 7:28:18 GMT -5
Post by simmo on Sept 27, 2005 7:28:18 GMT -5
I think a new comp would be well subscribed I feel that a lot of anglers are getting ripped of with little reward and as people on this forum have pointed out most of us just do it for the kudos and the thrill of competing. Our team did not enter the Lexus this year mainly due to the cost and the fact that we would have to go to Chew at some stage. I did not enter the individual and have not for the last couple of seasons as I have no requirement for a car for a year or a four weight rod for that matter. Keep the costs down set out the rules at the start and stick to them. Make sure the match is properly policed and the rules enforced and I think you will be on to a winner. ;D
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 8:58:24 GMT -5
Post by rad on Sept 27, 2005 8:58:24 GMT -5
I havnt fished the lexus this year as it seems a bit unfair to me for the following reason. The person with the largest fish in the individual qualifying events gets an automatic place in the next heat. I see catching big fish as 99.9% luck. Some of the other comps have a weight limit on the fish . IE anything over 4lb counts as 4lb... That and the price of the comps is a big turn off an I for one wont be fishing in either the team or individual next year. Thants me done
rad
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T.F.E.O
Sept 27, 2005 9:28:48 GMT -5
Post by Daver on Sept 27, 2005 9:28:48 GMT -5
Lo all, I can do it, not a problem and I know a few sponser for prizes etc.. also as does Martin, but getting something this size organised for next year is tight, it would be better setting something up for 2007 where it could be much better organised and then everyone would have had a year to get into it. Martin, you know this means me, you, campbell and bugsy all getting together to discuss this . Welsh Dee anyone, Rutland? Give me a call when you have time and we can look at doing something. cheers Dave
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