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Post by Ironblue on Jun 30, 2003 17:39:28 GMT -5
This competition is not selected by the CEFF. It is done by a committee of past England members and luminaries. They look at overall performances and achievements and select a team they feel will do the job. At Pitsford the team included three Daves - Shipman, Murray and Grove. They won gold.
It isn't a case of applying. However if you wish to fish in your areas eliminaters of the CEFF then drop me a line and I will point you to your local organiser.
Baz
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Post by buzzer30 on Jul 1, 2003 14:50:27 GMT -5
All this talk of selection for competitions and the comments about simon kidd of fish and fly, sounds to me like its a bunch of fishermen who fish at small still waters, catch about 20 fish on stocking day or day after and then consider themselves good fishermen and worth of international honours... get real, these guys are some of or are the best fly fishermen in country on rivers or reservoirs.  |
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Post by Ironblue on Jul 2, 2003 16:55:23 GMT -5
Says who?
Well the selection process shows a proven record of achievement. It's good enough to back up any claim. It is recognised by the sports governing body, the S&TA.
Other competition results can show a record of achievement for someone considered a top angler.
Simon Kidd has all these and as a consequence he has often been written about as a top angler. I wonder what his own classification would be as it seems that it is the media that has given him his title.
He is asked to assist in writing articles and have his photo taken for the press. He gives his time to show how it is done to help other anglers. I doubt he gets paid for this and it is something he gives back to fishing. There are some who will appreciate that.
I agree that there are anglers who could be as good but, for other reasons than were mentioned, cost, time ,commitments or it isn't their 'bag', would not have the profile or proof of achievement in results form.
However there are some excellent writers who through their work may command the accolade that they are a top angler.
They again have proof of success through their writings and books sold.
Ghillies, guides and fishery proprieters can also be classed as top anglers by virtue of recommendations. Extremely skilled locally but nationally recognised.
Even the non competeing and totally unknown angler can be considered a top angler. In the magazines local anglers are featured in articles about fisheries. Often classed as local experts or top angler.
So there are many ways that a person can be considered a'Top Angler'.
I wonder what the reasons behind the inferred comments that Simon Kidd is not a Top Angler are based on? His track record is proven. Certainly the overall tone of Buzzer30 is anti competition and resentful. That's fine but I would like to see dismissive claims justified. I would also take to task the cheating, bribing comment and the inferences that the comment suggests. Is that aimed at Simon Kidd or all perceived top anglers, whether competition or not?
I would be naive to say that there aren't some anglers who cheat, bribing is a new one on me. But these anglers are in a minority and exist in all types of angling whether taking more than their limit or general rule breaking.
All sport can suffer this but the majority of anglers are decent and honest people who enjoy whatever type of flyfishing they do. It's a shame that there are those who make issue ,without any substanciation, of a minority of unethical anglers and make it seem the whole sport is blighted with it. It is not good for the image of the sport.
Fishery owners will ban any person who break the rules, Competition organisers will also deal with cheats. This can only be done with sound evidence and not rumours , heresay or personal resentment.
There are many faceless and profile people who do a lot for the promotion and wellbeing of the sport to ensure we have a future to enjoy.
Is it fair that they continually have to deal with unfounded issues within the sport when there are bigger problems brewing outside?
Baz
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Post by captain on Jul 3, 2003 6:02:51 GMT -5
Trouble is Baz, all the Top Anglers and sportsmen are there to be knocked off their perch! aint that the way it is in this country and always shall be? what a pleasant world it would be if it were otherwise. |
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Post by buzzer30 on Jul 3, 2003 8:26:18 GMT -5
Baz
I think you have mis-read my comment. I to am a competition angler, and competed in the recently held commonwealth friendly at pitsford and last year in Wales.
I have first hand experience of fishing in the same boat as a lot of top anglers Simon included and, and I fully agree with your comments. So my comments are not ani-competition or resentful, in fact quite the opposite.
As i have already said I have competed against the top anglers and actually use them as a bench mark to gauge my own performances by, and Yes if I beat the likes of Simon Kidd, Dave Shipman, Bob Church, Graham Pearson etc, etc, which I have done on a couple of occassion, I consider it a sucesss by my own standards.
But all in all beating someone once doesn;t make you a good angler, but to consistently perform and be up there in the top half of the results, like the above mention guys, Yes i think it makes you pretty good at what you do, same as in any form of sport.
Would you not consider Linford Christie a top athlete, answer yes because he consistently performs, he did not only win one race, same goes for angling.
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Post by Ironblue on Jul 3, 2003 18:34:52 GMT -5
Yes Captain is right in his comments.
Sorry Buzzer if I misread your post.
Baz
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