scart
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Post by scart on Feb 15, 2006 18:31:29 GMT -5
Reading through some of the posts on this thread would make you think it was a waste of time fishing the loch anymore.
I have been fortunate to have fished the loch for over 30 years now, and enjoyed some great sport over the years. last year was no exception early and late season the sport was good.On the other hand I have had days on the loch when it has been dour to say the least, but thats fishing you have to take the good with the bad, i have came of the loch blank or with one fish and still had good sport, you dont here many people say that now, if they havent bagged up then the fisheries and the staff get the brunt of it.
We all know the loch has problems with water clarity at times, and we would all love to see the end of cormorants on every fishery, not just leven.As has been said previously if you want to keep some of the best and challenging fishing available and not to mention reasonably priced in this day and age.
The soloution is simple fish the loch, and support the staff and who knows we could still be debating the fishing on the loch in anothere thirty years time.
Roll on the start of this season its not all doom and gloom ;D
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 15, 2006 18:35:25 GMT -5
well said,lets just support it. it's a great place to go fishing.
jim
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Post by GreenZulu on Feb 15, 2006 19:06:27 GMT -5
i have came of the loch blank or with one fish and still had good sport, you dont here many people say that now, if they havent bagged up then the fisheries and the staff get the brunt of it. Roll on the start of this season its not all doom and gloom ;D Well said. I've never "bagged up" in my life and have no intention of breaking the habit of a lifetime now! Whenever I fish the loch I travel 50 miles past numerous stocked ponds and puddles for the priviledge, which it is. Catching one there gives me a far greater sense of achievement than catching several from these other places. And not catching any - it's a learning curve and always will be, wouldn't want it any other way.
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Post by doods on Feb 15, 2006 19:32:53 GMT -5
Well said the last few post's. What would be the chance of someone organising one of the socials on the Loch? i'm sure secretary would be only too willing to help accommodate us and maybe have a little talk afterwards, as there seems to be an awful lot of concerned anglers on this forum. I'll definetely go!!!!!!!!
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Post by gillaroobay on Feb 16, 2006 3:43:26 GMT -5
I have managed to blank on most places at some time or another,Loch Leven is just a special place for me fish or no fish ,I have had days where i have had half a dozen Brownies to 3lb and days where i haven't touched a fish but everyday was enjoyable in its own way.I have been fortunate to have always fished the Loch with someone that knew the Loch well as he worked at the Loch for a while,Now i mainly fish Lough Erne and Lough Conn having moved to Ireland a number of years ago but Leven is still my favourite Loch. Cheers GB.
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Post by jimdoyle1 on Feb 16, 2006 7:16:33 GMT -5
As many are now saying support the loch and lets get some sanity back to our fishing. The need to catch more and bigger fish seems to have overtaken many peoples fishing, the highlight of my days fishing is the first offer, then at least I know I,m brighter than one trout in the place. There are lochs where it is just a pleasure to be there. There are others ,some quite famous that I get nothing from, catching fish or not. The massive returns from the past ie 52000 fish one year included fish taken in nets ,when a commercial fishery was active on the loch, if you go back far enough there were char in the loch, perhaps SNH should look at re establishing this species as it was natural. A friend of mine did a survey on the River Leven and reckons that at one time before the factories and mills, the loch could well have had a population of salmon and sea trout, the origin of the superb Brownies perhaps? If as is a legal requirement there were fish passes built around the obstructions on the leven then the possibilities of salmon and seatrout reaching the loch are quite real, now theres a project just insane enough for Scottish Natural Heritage to come up with. jim
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 16, 2006 7:24:43 GMT -5
hi jim.a few years ago there was a challenge on the dams in the fife leven.and the dammers won.something to do with hydro of less than 1kilowatt ?somebody out there will probably know the full story .but i remember at the time thinking it was a sham.money talks jim
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Post by secretary on Feb 16, 2006 14:23:22 GMT -5
Glad there are people out there still supporting the loch, cheers guys.
No problems with a social, I'll be there with a trunk load of pals, a talk afterwards followed with Q&A'S, no problems.
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Post by gillaroobay on Feb 16, 2006 14:47:18 GMT -5
I would love to get over for a social gathering at the Loch,if its September time i should be able to get over for it. Cheers GB
I wonder how much fishing gear i can take on Easyjet with me ?Best leave the boat seat at home ;D
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Post by jimdoyle1 on Feb 17, 2006 6:30:29 GMT -5
Rods and fishing gear up to I think7kl goes free. At least thats what they told me last week !!! jim
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Post by gillaroobay on Feb 17, 2006 7:44:06 GMT -5
I'll see how much it is for the ferry aswell ,probably more expensive right enough but at least i'll get to bring my tackle without it getting damaged. Cheers GB.
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Post by northdeeps on Feb 17, 2006 12:35:04 GMT -5
As many are now saying support the loch and lets get some sanity back to our fishing. The need to catch more and bigger fish seems to have overtaken many peoples fishing, the highlight of my days fishing is the first offer, then at least I know I,m brighter than one trout in the place. There are lochs where it is just a pleasure to be there. There are others ,some quite famous that I get nothing from, catching fish or not. The massive returns from the past ie 52000 fish one year included fish taken in nets ,when a commercial fishery was active on the loch, if you go back far enough there were char in the loch, perhaps SNH should look at re establishing this species as it was natural. A friend of mine did a survey on the River Leven and reckons that at one time before the factories and mills, the loch could well have had a population of salmon and sea trout, the origin of the superb Brownies perhaps? If as is a legal requirement there were fish passes built around the obstructions on the leven then the possibilities of salmon and seatrout reaching the loch are quite real, now theres a project just insane enough for Scottish Natural Heritage to come up with. jim Sorry, but anybody who knows anything about business and marketing will tell you that demand and supply (more often referred to as supply and demand) is one of the keys to running a successful business. If the demand from anglers (potential customers) is bigger and more, then it makes sense to supply bigger and more - you simply can't tell the market what it wants. You might be clever enough to recognise a latent demand for something that the customer wants - but he doesn't know it yet - and supply that demand, but you simply can't supply a demand that doesn't exist. Just because a few of us are happy to pay our money, fail to catch, but enjoy the experience anyway, isn't a strong enough argument for marketing a fishery on these grounds. Customers in this mould are few and far between and as such could only ever be considered a niche market. No, the vast majority of paying customers are mercenary bastards who want to catch bigger and more and if you're going to run a successful business (fishery) they should be your target audience... like it or lump it. If we think that Loch Leven has a right to survive as a fishery just because of the historical interest surrounding it, we're barking up the wrong tree. If the management thinks that (and I've nothing to suggest they do) the place is doomed. Ok, so some of us do have a special affinity with the place and would be willing to support it through thick and thin, but the vast majority (the main revenue generators) see it differently. Sorry, but a Loch Leven that doesn't deliver what the market demands will be served up the same cold pudding that any car dealer with a reputation for poor customer service gets. I hear a lot of people justifiably slagging off Loch Fillty, but I hear a lot more that don't have a good word to say about Loch Leven. Think about it! northdeeps
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Post by northdeeps on Feb 17, 2006 13:25:56 GMT -5
Let me ask one fundamental question. Knowing what we know and if you managed the fishery, what would be your first priority? Put another way, if you suddenly found yourself at the helm, what, on the evidence before us, would be your first question?
northdeeps
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Post by meiklebin on Feb 17, 2006 20:16:43 GMT -5
How can we improve the water quality..
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Post by 3lbgrayling on Feb 17, 2006 20:30:42 GMT -5
hit the nail on the head in 1.
jim
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