Instant improvement.

[Clydesider]

I would suggest the change should be just inside the tip ring to avoid overhang and wearing out the thin running line whilst false casting.

[The Handsome Stick]

silverstoat said:

Marking the line is a good idea but would it not be better to go out and find the 'sweet spot' by casting and then mark it.
This would give the result you are after for any given combination of rod and line regardless of any unusual line taper.

Dave.

Marking the head means you know where the head ends. It's the maximum rod loading before you go into overhang. It's up to you if you cast before this point or after. It's an indicator really. I suppose it's like the red bar on a rev counter in a car. Just before you hit the red your achieving the maximum advisable revs (at least I think thats what it means) but you don't need to drive like that all the time. (Unless you have a car with tinted windows and a bass canon in the boot.)

[The Handsome Stick]

patsolver said:

On lines which change colour such as Snowbee 2D where should the change of colour be for optimum performance by end ring or outside it.

On lines which change to a thin line should the change to thin be outside the end tip.

Excuse my ignorance !!

It 'should' be inside the rings. Casting onto the running line is called overhang. It is a distance techniques and generally leads to your loop falling apart and slapping you in the back of the head. Some line are easier to employ overhang than others but it's an advanced distance technique and unless that's what you're after ignore it until you feel the need.

[guideline]

Hi. I'm new to the forums but have been trying to decide if to join for sometime but hope to make a few new fishing mates.
I noticed this discussion and could not help joining in because I tried this myself a few times but it does vary with rod legnth and you never really get it right. When visiting the Fly Fair in Stoke I actually bought a line from a Norwegian guy on the sshoot stand which has such a marker already configured. I was a bit sceptical but was curious and asked for a demo and tried it. I was recomended to use it on a 9'6" and 10" and have to say Instant improvement it was. It really did present me with an optimum loading point, i am now shooting straight into backing with ease. Not sure who sells them but I'm sure its easy enough to find out.

[3lbgrayling]

welcome to the forum guideline ,sure you'll find plenty of info on here.

jim

[The Handsome Stick]

guideline said:

Hi. I'm new to the forums but have been trying to decide if to join for sometime but hope to make a few new fishing mates.
I noticed this discussion and could not help joining in because I tried this myself a few times but it does vary with rod legnth and you never really get it right. When visiting the Fly Fair in Stoke I actually bought a line from a Norwegian guy on the sshoot stand which has such a marker already configured. I was a bit sceptical but was curious and asked for a demo and tried it. I was recomended to use it on a 9'6" and 10" and have to say Instant improvement it was. It really did present me with an optimum loading point, i am now shooting straight into backing with ease. Not sure who sells them but I'm sure its easy enough to find out.

Michael Evans Twin Line has a different coloured running line. There are a few others.

[guideline]

Thanks for the welcome 3lb Grayling.

Thanks for the advice Handsome Stick. I have tried the Michael Evans lines and many others too.
The line i was refering to has a totally different approach and thats what initially caught my attention. It has something called a hauling zone which is the only part of the line which is coloured. I guess its about 3- 4 ft and the rest of the line is just plain white, and it does actually work as it says, optimum loading point, and perfectly lined hauling zone. The balance is great and it presents nice as well so I'm more than happy. Horses for courses I suppose.

[The Handsome Stick]

guideline said:

Thanks for the welcome 3lb Grayling.

Thanks for the advice Handsome Stick. I have tried the Michael Evans lines and many others too.
The line i was refering to has a totally different approach and thats what initially caught my attention. It has something called a hauling zone which is the only part of the line which is coloured. I guess its about 3- 4 ft and the rest of the line is just plain white, and it does actually work as it says, optimum loading point, and perfectly lined hauling zone. The balance is great and it presents nice as well so I'm more than happy. Horses for courses I suppose.

It sounds a bit like marketing spin.
Surely the 'hauling zone' of a line is the back of the head before it reaches the running line. Or, on any other two-tone line, the 'just before it changes colour'.
Can you explain this any further?
Isn't this the same trick as any other two-tone line? Havent they just coloured the 4ft of the head before it turns into running line rather than colouring a whole section?

[guideline]

Hi
That was my initial thought too, as I said sceptical. I was given the usual blurb when looking, but after i heard Illtyd grifiths commenting on it after trying it with a couple of other guys from AAPGAI, thats what made me curious enough to try. I wasnt convinced before I tried but I was after. The marked section i think is quite ingenious and it is actually positioned on the running line behind the head not as you would expect. Its not like any other two tone line I have tried but I also think the profile can has a lot to do with it too. I was never a bad caster but it certainly made a difference to my pick up and double haul, one back cast and the I can be straight in to backing. Basically i like it and I have had many lines as one does.

[The Handsome Stick]

guideline said:

Hi
That was my initial thought too, as I said sceptical. I was given the usual blurb when looking, but after i heard Illtyd grifiths commenting on it after trying it with a couple of other guys from AAPGAI, thats what made me curious enough to try. I wasnt convinced before I tried but I was after. The marked section i think is quite ingenious and it is actually positioned on the running line behind the head not as you would expect. Its not like any other two tone line I have tried but I also think the profile can has a lot to do with it too. I was never a bad caster but it certainly made a difference to my pick up and double haul, one back cast and the I can be straight in to backing. Basically i like it and I have had many lines as one does.

Wow. It's on the running line? Now I'm really curious. I'm going to have to have a look at one of these.

[The Handsome Stick]

I just had a look at the web site. That's incredible!
There's a little illustration on the site but I can't really make out the details. Do you know how long the head is on the line?

[3lbgrayling]

i saw the shoot stand at the fair.they had some innovative ideas,never saw the lines ,but i did pick up a cd/dvd will have a close look.

jim

[John Gray]

The rating of fly rods, in relation to line weight, is, as has been said, currently largely subjective, in so far as manufacturers have yet to employ a scientific approach to the precise measurement and accurate numerical description of the intrinsic power of a fly rod. Consequently, the weight of the head of a weight forward line, even a line of the AFTMA line rating recommended by the rod manufacturer, is unlikely to result in the optimum loading of that rod for all casting styles. The double tapered line, on the other hand, suffers no such disadvantage, in that the length of line aerialised can be more easily adjusted to find the length of line which loads the rod most efficiently, with no need to worry about hingeing or overhang or wear and tear on the thin running line..... just one of the many benefits of using a good old fashioned double tapered line.

[guideline]

Hi Handsome Stick.
I got a CD too and not looked at it up till now, was under a pile of junk on my desk. Some nice screen savers on there. Just been looking at the web site this morning on my tea break and looks as if they are doing a free entry competition for fly lines if you are interested, saves paying for one.

[Clydebuilt]

Any links to their website pls?