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Post by enfieldspares on Oct 19, 2004 14:04:12 GMT -5
1) Fly reels today, REEL SEATS tomorrow. So can I add that another reason that I favour aluminium reel seats over Fuji seats is that , on my rods at least, I know that that reel seat was made here?
2) Hardy reels made other than in UK? That is news to me, especially as I belive that Hardy also makes Altmoor reels?
3)QUOTE "The London, Scottish, and Birmingham gun and rifle makers, after nearly being consigned to the dustbin in the ‘80s, have never had it so good".
YOU THINK SO? Please tell that to WW Greener, Webley & Scott, Wilds, Wisemans and the many Scottish makers that have now disappeared.
Ask any Scotsman how many branches of the true Scottish gunmakers now exist? In Inverness? In Edinburgh? In Perth, Kelso, Glasgow etc? Not the "odd man" who does a few guns a year, and makes them very well (before I get flamed) , but the true makers...like Alex Martin etc....who actually made them "in house" and IN SCOTLAND!
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Post by auchinbadie on Oct 19, 2004 15:56:10 GMT -5
1) Fly reels today, REEL SEATS tomorrow. So can I add that another reason that I favour aluminium reel seats over Fuji seats is that , on my rods at least, I know that that reel seat was made here? 2) Hardy reels made other than in UK? That is news to me, especially as I belive that Hardy also makes Altmoor reels? 3)QUOTE "The London, Scottish, and Birmingham gun and rifle makers, after nearly being consigned to the dustbin in the ‘80s, have never had it so good". YOU THINK SO? Please tell that to WW Greener, Webley & Scott, Wilds, Wisemans and the many Scottish makers that have now disappeared. Ask any Scotsman how many branches of the true Scottish gunmakers now exist? In Inverness? In Edinburgh? In Perth, Kelso, Glasgow etc? Not the "odd man" who does a few guns a year, and makes them very well (before I get flamed) , but the true makers...like Alex Martin etc....who actually made them "in house" and IN SCOTLAND! How does it follow that Aluminium reel seats are made in the UK? |
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Post by Carsington on Oct 19, 2004 16:29:22 GMT -5
My parents lived in Helston Cornwall for a while, so I know how badly the closure will hit the community, but the move to China is not unexpected.
It is not a simple result of us buying cheap tackle. A hundred years ago, a man called Ricardo came up with his Theory of Comparative Advantage to explain why free trade exists and is better than protectionism. (Use Google for more info.)
China PLC is dominating the world’s manufacturing making almost all washing machines and many other white goods. Add electrical and electronic goods. In 10 years they could be making really high technology petroleum industry pumps, aircraft parts etc.
China’s comparative advantage in manufacturing is further strengthened by its fixing the exchange rate of its currency the Yuan against the dollar at a very favourable rate for China. As the value of the US dollar has fallen, so too has the Yuan. This makes it tough for non-niche UK companies to compete, especially if there is bad management as one contributor has said. And on top of this, large companies seek to maximise profit: It’s no use just making a profit, it has to offer high Return on Net Assets and other accountants targets.
What we need is the local Falmouth Chamber of Commerce to fund and train the workers to start up new businesses, be they providing customer services for existing UK BFR customers or creating the reel equivalent of Bloke and David Norwich rods.
TL
Mike F
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Post by enfieldspares on Oct 19, 2004 18:15:00 GMT -5
Auchinbadie wrote: "How does it follow that aluminium reel seats are made in the UK?"
Because, in my particular case, I asked the rodmaker when I purchased the rod and it is stamped on the reel seat itself.
As I am equally sure that Mr Bloke, and other rodmakers, would be happy to tell his customers where all the components of his fishing wands were sourced or made.
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Post by auchinbadie on Oct 20, 2004 2:06:10 GMT -5
Auchinbadie wrote: "How does it follow that aluminium reel seats are made in the UK?" Because, in my particular case, I asked the rodmaker when I purchased the rod and it is stamped on the reel seat itself. As I am equally sure that Mr Bloke, and other rodmakers, would be happy to tell his customers where all the components of his fishing wands were sourced or made. A very laudable approach to "bespoke" rod purchase, but that is hardly the mainstream of tackle out there is it? Where are all the blanks made I wonder? |
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Post by enfieldspares on Oct 20, 2004 11:55:07 GMT -5
Where are all those blanks made...in the land of "the Tong" I have no doubt. So you can have a Chinese made Orvis reel to go with your Chinese Orvis rod. A company even longer established that the Alnwick maker, Hardy Brothers.
I am a user of Hardy stuff from the 90s and around the Millenium. What I do note is that the "decal" or "transfer" on my Marquis and Elite (and the reel seat) do say "House of Hardy" over "Made in England".
On the Swift and Sirrus? The word Hardy there, writ large in in "gold" even! But I warrant there is not a "Made in England" written alongside it.
The real irony, of course, is that those who would call themselves "purists" amiongst us pay a fortune for rods with Chinese "blanks" anyway! Where do you think that best bamboo comes from!
It is, I suppose, only surprising that China does not go the whole way and keep the bamboo and make the rods there too! Or maybe some subscribers may even enlighten us on that point!
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Post by Svend on Oct 20, 2004 14:31:34 GMT -5
Whats the difference between the tie worn by the Orvis CEO and a G-string  - The G-string covers the arsehole entirely  Cheers Svend |
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Post by otaku on Oct 20, 2004 14:45:03 GMT -5
Great Viking humour, Svend. Let's meet up and do some slaying sometime!
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Post by Lighthouse on Oct 20, 2004 17:05:16 GMT -5
 Falmouth is my home town and I've known the factory since it was owned by the Morritt family - remember Intrepid Reels. The loss of production to China is a great blow to the local economy but more so the the people directly employed there. The Tregonnigie Estate was built to attract 'new - hi tech' industry to the area and add diversity to an area that had relied almost exclusively on tourism, the 'Docks' and little else. The majority have a two dimensional view of Cornwall - usually based upon a couple of weeks experience and characterised by the expression 'ennit lovely'. In terms of employment and average income Cornwall is a depressed area much like any number of old industrial areas throughout the UK. It is to be hoped that meaningful assistance and support is given to the workforce so that their skills and qualities are not lost to the area.
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Post by bloke on Oct 21, 2004 2:32:34 GMT -5
I am not surprised in the slightest, try setting up a business in the UK and see how difficult it is. We are taxed out of existence and work to ridiculous charters and regulations.
Once I have made a 100 pound profit from my business I promptly give the government 40 pounds and if I decide to spend the remaining 60 on say a tank of petrol, I loose another 17.5 % on VAT, not to mention what the Government have creamed in fuel duty already. If I decide to put the 60 in a savings account when I snuff it the government will promptly take their cut anyway !!! Next time anybody asks who you work for give them the answer I do............The Government !
Billions of pounds frittered away on Europe, refugees and red tape. All of that money could have been spent on supporting British industry. Hey , I've got a good idea .....lets pay couples to have more children and call it family tax credit..that way we will have more tax payers for the future.................Sorry BFR but you are just one of thousands of future victims..
This country is going to the dogs.
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Post by Svend on Oct 21, 2004 2:46:31 GMT -5
A hundred years ago, a man called Ricardo came up with his Theory of Comparative Advantage to explain why free trade exists and is better than protectionism. (Use Google for more info.) China PLC is dominating the world’s manufacturing making almost all washing machines and many other white goods. Add electrical and electronic goods. In 10 years they could be making really high technology petroleum industry pumps, aircraft parts etc. China’s comparative advantage in manufacturing is further strengthened by its fixing the exchange rate of its currency the Yuan against the dollar at a very favourable rate for China. As the value of the US dollar has fallen, so too has the Yuan. This makes it tough for non-niche UK companies to compete, especially if there is bad management as one contributor has said. And on top of this, large companies seek to maximise profit: It’s no use just making a profit, it has to offer high Return on Net Assets and other accountants targets. Are you familiar with Jeremy Rifkin's theories ? www.jobsletter.org.nz/art/rifkin02.htmAccording to Rifkin, there is no light whatsoever at the end of the tunnel, regarding the current unemployment problems. Scary reading  /Svend |
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Post by Carsington on Oct 24, 2004 17:56:50 GMT -5
Thanks for this Sven, Jeremy Rifkin ‘s ideas tell it like it really is. Perhaps he needs more on the jobs that will be created in order to look after an ageing population in the USA, Japan and Europe, but we need more discussions on the future of work itself.
This article is one key factor for the guys at BFR. The other is the issue that for EU purposes, Cornwall is limped in with Devon. Devon is a relatively prosperous county, and by putting it together with Cornwall, stops Cornwall receiving the financial help that it needs to regenerate jobs. OK, they may be temporary, they may be low paid, but even those will help.
These two factors, the changing nature of work plus the lack of EU help for Cornwall mean that local MPs, the Chamber of Commerce and the rest of the great and the bad of the county must lobby central government for more funds. With an election next year and marginal sears in the South West, the workers have a very powerful weapon ...
Mike F
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Falmouth is my home town and I've known the factory since it was owned by the Morritt family - remember Intrepid Reels.
