For the kind of fishing you describe, I normally use a ten or ten and a half foot rod rated 6/7 together with a DT7 or 8 line (the heavier line loads the rod more efficiently for short casts and seems to suit my slow casting style)
For example, the Daiwa Whisker range has always been good value, often available at a discounted price of around £70
10 ft 2 pce #6/7 10 ft 2 pce #7/8 10 ft 3 pce #6/8 10ft 6ins 2 pce #7/8 10 ft 6 ins 3 pce #6/8
You are unlikely to need anything longer than ten and a half feet.
Last Edit: Aug 30, 2004 15:54:40 GMT -5 by John Gray
Dan, The eleven and a half foot rod might be useful if it could be wielded single handedly but, unless you have the stature of a Geoff Capes, it would, I think, be very tiring to fish with.
If you can fit a two piece in your car boot, it might be preferable. If not, I'd go for a three piece. Note also that all the rods mentioned have slightly different fittings and actions and you would be wise to handle, and, if possible, test them before buying.
I mainly fish the Minnoch which is a small tributary of the Cree. The minnoch is mainly a spate river and fishes well towards the back end.
I have only really started Salmon/Grilse fishing in earnest and am still learning (with just one under the belt - caught on a spinner). I have extensively worm fished, but now that the water is subsiding after the recent rain - looking to try the fly at the salmon holding in the pools waiting for the next floods (too shallow now too spin as well)
I have a 9'6 Bob Church Rod #6/7 however friends at work think that this is too light for Grilse and Sea Trout.
Being a trout fisher I prefer the smaller rivers where bank fishing is possible (verses wading).
Hoping that the fly rod will also double up effictively as a worming rod for next season as well.
Wouldn't mind some fishing down at New Luce, occasionally I do a bit of shooting down that way - what is the cost of a days fishing?
Went out and tried out my 9.5 trout rod tonight - results were not too good. I tried using some flies tied on a salmon no 6 doubles on WF7 line, and the rod didn't seem to have the power to get the line to turn over with that size fly. I changed to a small Allys shrimp that I had on what must be 10 doubles with better results.
Re-visiting the river I would say that the width is more like 20 yards wide.
Salmon and Grilse jumping all over the pool I was fishing - couldn't get them to take any flies (or a few choice worms)
Post by kingfisher on Sept 1, 2004 15:08:31 GMT -5
Lord Stair’s private beat on the Luce can be rented at a cost of £80/day subject to availability.
Worth it if you can book short notice after a spate.
Good luck on the Minnoch if you persevere with the fly rod it can be just as effective as bait fishing. A good idea would be to take some casting lessons because if you can roll cast you will be able to fish more of the river.
'Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after' Thoreau.
The length of rod is more dictated by the size of Fly and height of water than anything else. In S/W Scotland this time of year a size 6 low water Stoat, size 12 Irish Shrimp or Allys treble is ideal and can be easely thrown by a reasonable Trout rod. A typical 7 or 8lb Grilse is great sport on a singlehanded 7weight with a floater. I have a Sage SP 10" 7wt which is nice and smooth, and a Diawa 13ft 9/10 double hander for higher water when a small waddington or sinking line is needed.
The Diawa also has a reversible handle so if the water might be running a bit too high for the Fly I usually slip a spinning reel and a few Devons into my bag and take them along just in case.
I've used the 10ft #7/8 Daiwa whisker for a day and liked it. Nothing earthshattering but a good allround rod as John says.
Having said that, your current rod sounds close to the right size (ideally you'd use something a fraction longer and heavier) so don't feel a new rod is absolutely necessary. My home river is a similar size to the one you describe and most of the regulars use small shrimp flies (size 12-10 double) which seem to do well. These should cast OK with your current setup.
My own opinion is that when fishing for salmon you should use a double hande rod. Even on a small river it allows far better control, and increases your ability to catch fish across all river conditions. Sounds like 12/13 foot should do it for you, and get some lessons. Tight lines.
I would also go with the double hander for higher water. For my fishing in smaller rivers I use a 12.5ft #9-10 rod. In low water you will get by with a single hander rated #6 or 7. You could pick up a double hander quite cheaply on E-Bay if you are working to a budget, a quick look in E-Bay came up with this