S.A.N.A. AGM - New Thread

[northdeeps]

meiklebin said:

Two small points 1) This would not eradicate the problem of imaginary clubs as you state Club Champions possibly runners-up would enter comp at later stage. So certain bogus clubs benefit again. 2) I very much doubt the figures you are talking about being interested as alot of people who want in the National just simply make-up an imaginary club. So not sure what the figure would be.
Why hasn't SANA tackled this problem of fake clubs............

Again, I don't think too many people would agree that the scandal of bogus clubs needs to be eradicated. I know they have tried by asking clubs to provide lists of members and bank details etc. However, that only solves the issue of new clubs and we all know there are too many "clubs" that have historically used this loophole (and still do) before any of these measures were introduced.

I go back to my original argument that the organisation should be about the individual, where it is me that's the member of the organistion not the club that I'm a member of. I should be responsible for my fees, which I think are far too low for some at the minute. Either that, or clubs should pay a minimum fee for each registered member, so that the clubs with 200 members pay proportionately the same as a club with fifteen members. However, the main difficulty there is that the organision would have to reorganise its democratic process to suit the individual; but here we have an organisation that doesn't even have the first clue how many individual members it has, or what their names and addresses are!

northdeeps

[osprey]

Anything to improve upon the current set up can only be an improvment, if your proposal were to come to fruition northdeeps can you please make sure we get competent people running the show,not in it for personal gain,making decisions for the good of Scottish angling,not self interest and able to organize the proverbial p** up in a brewery!

Out of interest, where would you propose the "new" national final would be?


OZ

[creelman]

The membership has never been excluded from decision making. They, in the main , do not get involved.

The decisions are passed at the AGM by the people who go, not enough appear to be interested enough to even send club reps.

We get what we deserve if we dont get involved. Anyone can be put forward (as long as they are in a club that`s a member of the competition section) for each committee position at the AGM, long as they have a proposer and a seconder from different clubs. Just because it is accepted practise to move each rep up the chain on the committee, doesn`t mean someone from outwith the committee cannot be proposed for a position.

As long as the membership clubs have the apathy that they do, things will run along same way as before.

Too many folks listen to crap about things the committee does or doesn`t do, tell a lie often enough and its accepted as the truth.

All the arguments about rule changes in last years national were just that, crap. The committee did what was agreed at a previous AGM.

Power to your elbow though, theres lots could be done but it needs the membership to get involved and agree the changes.

[creelman]

I take it you were at the AGM then osprey.

[northdeeps]

osprey said:

Anything to improve upon the current set up can only be an improvment, if your proposal were to come to fruition northdeeps can you please make sure we get competent people running the show,not in it for personal gain,making decisions for the good of Scottish angling,not self interest and able to organize the proverbial p** up in a brewery!

Out of interest, where would you propose the "new" national final would be?


OZ

Unfortunately, as an individual I don't have any influence over who does and doesn't run the organisation. No, that needs the members to start taking an active interest; and the desire must be there for clubs and individuals to start questioning the decisions taken by our committee. If we're not happy with what they are dishing out, we do have the collective power to stop these people and demand that they start tacking stock of the members' opinions. If they don't we should be collectively demanding that they take a hike and allow people who will work on behalf of the members. It is a self perpetuating problem that is fuelled by our apathy.

On the question of venue, I have no particular preference, The point I'm making is that we must get ourselves into a position where we can work with fisheries in helping them get their fisheries up to international standard. Once they do, they can be included on a role of venues, any one of which should be capable of hosting a national final and I see no reason why it can't be rotated yearly. That gives any fishery in the country the option to put the facilities in place and apply to be included as a national grade fishery.


For too long we've allowed fisheries to provide anglers with crap facilities without so much as a buy your leave and SANA has done little or nothing to improve the situation. If you head down to England and fish some of the major venues there, you'll a whole different ball game. I bet if we were golfers, we wouldn't put up with such poor facilities for one minute! But the whole point is that it needs to be a collaborative approach between SANA and individual fisheries and there has to be a pay off for the fisheries involved, such as increased revenue from competition fees etc.

northdeeps