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Post by sage on Apr 2, 2006 16:56:33 GMT -5
Hi All
Can any body recommend what flies would work best for bass on the Welsh coast around Towyn and Barmouth.
Thanks
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Post by "Squatter" on Apr 3, 2006 4:53:29 GMT -5
Hey Sage,
I do most of my swff'ing in that area - Good luck mate.
Flies - the usual suspects - Clousers, deceivers, half and half's and crease flies all work well.
On the Towyn side - get off shore if you want any chance of a result. Plenty of schoolies around - but also plenty of fisherman, had Bass there up to 6lb off the float tube / kayak but thats all 150 - 200 yards off shore.
The Barmouth mouth fishes well - again you need to get off the beach and use a big blue and white deceiver.
Harlech is my favorite site - Shell Island works well in late July and August. Walk down the beach back to-wards Barmouth and fish the rips - sand eels / surf candies, work great especially at dawn and dusk.
Regards Mike
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Post by sage on Apr 3, 2006 5:10:26 GMT -5
Hi Mike. Thanks for the info, Is there any particular size of fly?Is late july - august the best time to go?all new to me, put me on a river for trout and grayling I'm your man,sea fishing I will have a look at the web to get a few of these fly patterns, Are you in Wales? I live in mid Wales so most of these ares are only about 3/4 - 1 hour away, I fancy tryinf sea fishing when the rivers are low and the weather is to hot for the trout. I have been given a double handed salmon rod and thinking of rigging up a shooting head and have ago
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Post by birdsnest on Apr 3, 2006 5:26:30 GMT -5
White frog nobblers work pretty good. birdsnest
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Post by sage on Apr 3, 2006 5:41:57 GMT -5
Hi Birds nest. Thanks for the info, don't they have some fantastic names. I used to fish the Dysynni when I was about 10 with my dad, plenty of mullet, sea trout and salmon, mind that is a long time a go makes me feel old
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Post by "Squatter" on Apr 3, 2006 6:26:58 GMT -5
Hi Sage, I live a bit further East - Near Telford. You may want to tie up some Clousers and deceivers in sizes 2-4 and six. Color - Olive and white - Chartreuse and white - Brown and white - Orange over black - Pink and white - Chartreuse over Grey and yellow over white. Deceivers - Blue and white with a grissel tail, green and white with a grissel tail, and just plain blue and white up size 2/0. Crease flies - see photos......................... you might want to go to the swff clave in Shell Island, great time to meet up with a bunch of guys that fish regularly and pick up a few tips. ukswff.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=meet&action=display&thread=1140991292 Regards Mike
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Post by Sewinbasher on Apr 3, 2006 6:29:38 GMT -5
Hi Birds nest. Thanks for the info, don't they have some fantastic names. I used to fish the Dysynni when I was about 10 with my dad, plenty of mullet, sea trout and salmon, mind that is a long time a go makes me feel old There are still plenty of mullet and sea trout but for some reason the Dysynni has an almost non-existant salmon run these day with only 5 taken in 2004. Tommy Rowlands the manager at the Tyn y Cornel Hotel on Tal y Llyn is a bit of an expert on the SWFF scene in that area.
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Post by sage on Apr 3, 2006 7:20:57 GMT -5
Hi Mike. Thank you for the pics of the flies , very nice, did you make them your self?My bother lives in Telford. Hi sewinbasher, shame about the salmon, I remember , as I said " when I was boy" standing on the big slate blocks down by the eastuary mouth watching them coming up the river, also there was some blokes netting them above the old army bailey bridge, is it still there?must get back and have another go, my farther caught a large flat fish, were the slate blocks finish in the river,not sure what it was looked a bit like a turbot?? mind when your young they all look big
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Post by "Squatter" on Apr 3, 2006 7:32:05 GMT -5
Hi Sage,
The top Photo's Carls, I use it to show the basic flies you need (+ I'm to lazy to do the same with mine) - the rest are all "home tied"
Regards Mike
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Post by MJB on Apr 3, 2006 13:27:50 GMT -5
When it comes to SWFF in the UK, I don't think fly pattern makes an awful lot of difference. 90% of the time as long as you match the length of the bait in the area you will catch fish. There's no point chucking a huge mutha of a Deciever at them if they are keyed in on 2" juvie Sandeel. This time of year I reckon the crease fly could pick up the early fish, but you will need to fish them as originally intended. You will struggle to find a more consistant fish catcher than this: Particularly effective when dressed sparse: The most important thing to do is be there when the fish are. On a lot of marks the fish may only be present for a short period of time.
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Post by sage on Apr 3, 2006 14:50:17 GMT -5
Hi All.
Thanks for the tips, what sort of leader would work best, Length and breaking strain? do you use floaters or inter's sinkers?, I have made a couple of flies up to try, what is the best time of year to try for Bass, do you need a incoming tide, out going ?? any advise would be really helpfull, as I'm a bit in the dark with it all. MJB is the fly in the pic a crease fly? and how do you fish them as original intended?
Andrew
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Post by MJB on Apr 3, 2006 15:13:15 GMT -5
Andrew,
You can be a fancy or as simple as you like with leaders. A single length of line will do the job, but personally I favour a 6' 'Singapore' leader with a 3' tippet in 13lb-20lb b/s. Nine feet seems to be a good managble length when swffing. I rarely use flourocarbon nowadays, preferring good ol' reliable nylon mono.
For shore based fishing a lot of people favour sink-tip lines like the Cortland ghost-tip, although a floater or intermediate will be fine. Deep water marks will require a fast sinker. The Bass typically start to show in numbers around the beginning of May and stay around until Christmas in some areas. Mid June- October being prime time.
Different venues will all fish differently. Some fish well on the flood, others on the ebb. This is where the challenge lies and why the likes of Squitter, Gonzo and myself have spent many hours seeking out good spots. You really need to spend time sussing a mark out. Once you know what stage of the tide to fish, get it to coincide with dawn or dusk and you should have some cracking sport.
The flies in my pictures are Clouser Minnows. The Crease Flies are the ones in Squitters bottom picture. Many people mistakenly assume they are a surface pattern as they are made of foam, but it was originally intended to be fished on a sinking line, kind of like a saltwater booby. This time of year there may be Bass about, just not in an agressive feeding mode. I know people who have used deep diving plugs, fished deep and slow, with good success early in the season which makes me think they could respond to a Creasie fished on a fast sinker.
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Post by sage on Apr 3, 2006 16:52:45 GMT -5
Hi MJB.
Thank you for the info, do you fish around Wales? It will be a bit of a learning curve for me, just be nice to pick something up when I have a go and a change from the trout and grayling.
Andrew
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Post by barramundi on Apr 3, 2006 17:04:35 GMT -5
Blimey Mike I only dropped those materials off with you on Saturday and you have tied an army of crease flies!
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Post by sage on Apr 4, 2006 2:32:39 GMT -5
Hi All.
Are crease flies the same sort of thing as Poppers?
Andrew
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